04-12-2004 04:30									#301
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AR(6M)

	04-12-2004 06:52									#302
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	04-12-2004 08:41									#303
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quote: Originally posted by Sparrowhawk While I have no problem with your decision, I do question your logic. If two people are jumping over a cliff and one only misses the far side by 2 feet while the other misses by 10 feet I don't think it is going to matter when they both hit bottom how close they were to making it.

Unless the cliff were banked, not sheer, in which case missing by 2 or 3 squares could have you at the bottom, whereas missing by 1 means you hit the side, as mentioned in the story.

Not that I'm making a comment on what's a better rule, but just commenting on the logic.

	04-12-2004 20:25									#304
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A(M5)R(M3)

And I said the next or the ONE after. I am very busy at work, so if someone would take the next one, I'll take the one after.

Good Job Jonny, the race length was probably just about right.

	05-12-2004 08:28									#305
	Turn 33: Down the home stretch... Lose 30 kilos (of popups)

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Car Number
 
Player Name
 
Speed
 
Wild cards
 
Direction
 
Orders


 
1
 
rah
 
9
 
0
 
NE
 
A(M5)R(M3)


 
2
 
Spaced Cowboy
 
6
 
0
 
NE
 
AMR(R+1)MMM


 
3
 
Sparrowhawk
 
9
 
0
 
N
 
A(M9)


 
4
 
Gamecube64
 
-
 
-
 
-
 
-


 
5
 
Ljube-ljcvetko
 
4
 
0
 
NW
 
B(3M)R


 
6
 
Kassiopeia
 
7
 
0
 
E
 
AR(6M)

Kassi prepares to cruise across the finish line, although rah and Sparrow are both not far behind, and helped keep the race close for its entirety. Spaced and Ljube are still on the far side of the jump.

Now accepting turn 34 orders, if you want... but it seems like a done deal now.

	05-12-2004 08:34									#306
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7M, then proceed to crash head-long at full speed to the wall behind the finish line.

	05-12-2004 08:40									#307
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I will send my orders as a question......

The rules read that anything deliberately off track will result in a speed of 0. Yet if you mistakenly go off track your speed is reduced depending on how much you go off track.

My current speed and no wild cards mean I would be unable to make the turn (and I realized that I shouldn't accelerate a couple of turns ago, but the game was essentailly over already and I continued to accelerate so that I could pose the question below for discussion before the next game), but why couldn't I send in orders of........

AMR(M8) (and for the sake of this turn, these are my orders)

This would have me cut the corner and go off track one space, and slow me down enough that I think I would stop before I went off the track just ahead of where Rah is now.

According to the rules this is not allowed unless the GM somehow interpreted this as an "accident". I don't understand why this is only allowed as accidental and not allowed as a deliberate part of strategy.

I don't see it as any different then hitting a sandbag that you know is there, rather then trying to drive around it (the result ends out being that the sandbag slows you down, as would going off track deliberately).

As the penalties for being more off track end out increasing the further you go off track, this strategy would not work for much more then what I am proposing in my orders for this turn, so I don't see the harm......

Opinions?

* Sparrowhawk

Oh, and congrats Kassiopeia on a great fill in race (and for that matter to Duke o' York ) and to Jonny on a well GM'd race . I liked both the length and the track

Edit: and I also like the fact that we all ended with 0 Wildcards Sign of a good game I think that we all needed to use up all of them

	05-12-2004 08:44									#308
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Thanks. I couldn't have done it without Duke's part of the race, all those wild cards he saved up for me really helped.

	05-12-2004 08:58									#309
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The sign-up thread for the new race can be found here.

As for Sparrow's question...
The issue of cutting a corner has never come up before, and I think that that should be legal, IMO, as long as you aren't one or two spaces off of the track.

As to the wording in the rules concerning intentionally going off the track resulting in a reduction to speed zero, this was initially put in the rules to prevent pepople going too fast for a turn from simply driving straight through it in order to save a WC that he would have had to use in order to make the turn. But realistically, as a GM, I have no idea what is intentionally running off of the track as opposed to a typo in one's orders, so it has to be really blatant to make me reduce speed to zero.

Being able to cut a corner, albeit with an appropriate speed penalty, should be explored as an option by the next GM. But as it is now, there is no distinction between the wall that probably exisits on the outside of a track and the grassy area that probably exists on the inside of a track. Perhaps a new marking on the map representing a grassy/dirt area should be included on the map (usually on the inside of turns, but perhaps elsewhere, too) in the next game, that would be like sandbags but not hidden, i.e., you receive a speed penalty for each one you traverse. It could add some more strategy and decision making to the game, which is always a good thing.

	05-12-2004 22:15									#310
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	05-12-2004 23:58									#311
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	06-12-2004 00:08									#312
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Just need Ljube to post and Jonny to formalize the victory and this thread can be closed I think.

Only Jonny commented on my question though, does that mean no one else has a problem with what I propose as a rule change or that you didn't read the preceeding posts?

* Sparrowhawk

	06-12-2004 02:45									#313
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I object to corner cutting and will not allow it in any game I GM.

I see it as no different then bridge jumping to skip part of the track.