03-10-2004 07:56									#151
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quote: Originally posted by reds4ever not you kissing a bloke Ted?.....

I was trying to post the thumbs up smilie someone made for me but it was some kinda Scientology graphic....

	03-10-2004 08:02									#152
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quote: Pot smoking is not comparable to love. In fact pot smoking is dangerous (love is sometimes mentally dangerous, but pot smoking is physically dangerous). But you know what? I don't care.

You should read and understand my arguments before you repeat yourself after having been refuted twice in succession.

Pot smoking is comparable to engaging in a relationship.... the act. The desire to smoke pot is comparable to the desire for another person (love). Simple isn't it?

quote: Oh. But seriously, he and I are two pretty good looking blokes right?

We all know you're doing this because you need someone to teach you how to shave .

	03-10-2004 08:03									#153
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	03-10-2004 08:05									#154
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OK OK OK... do whatever you want, whaleboi. I said I don't care. I wasn't serious about previous statements. And I will never admit that pot smoking is comparable to engaging in a relationship.. does pot have feelings? Can pot hold you and fall asleep with you? Are you smoking pot right now?

quote: We all know you're doing this because you need someone to teach you how to shave

Huh? I am pretty good at shaving... I shave everyday (my face lol what you think I shave something else?). I use all kinds of moisturizers and creams (doesn't that scream: metrosexual?).

	03-10-2004 08:06									#155
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quote: Originally posted by Giancarlo Are you smoking pot right now?

Silly question, havn't you been reading his posts?

A pot smoking philosphy student

	03-10-2004 08:08									#156
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quote: Originally posted by reds4ever Silly question, havn't you been reading his posts?

I'm sorry. I'm such an idiot. I should of realized.

Don't smoke pot, and post.. whaleboi.

	03-10-2004 08:11									#157
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quote: A pot smoking philosphy student

I'm no student

quote: Don't smoke pot, and post.. whaleboi.

I'm not smoking pot, I'm drinking cognac!

	03-10-2004 08:13									#158
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quote: Originally posted by Whaleboy I'm no student I'm not smoking pot, I'm drinking cognac!

My apologies, I thought you were still in college?

As for the Cognac, 4 am......bad head tomorrow

	03-10-2004 08:14									#159
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quote: Originally posted by Whaleboy I'm not smoking pot, I'm drinking cognac!

Well that can also explain the slightly inaccurate rantings.. how much have you consumed tonight? (great now, I'm sounding like a CHP officer).

	03-10-2004 08:16									#160
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quote: As for the Cognac, 4 am......bad head tomorrow

Meh, I can't sleep and I have a novel to novellate (believe it or not I'm on the internet AND being productive!! ).

quote: Well that can also explain the slightly inaccurate rantings.. how much have you consumed tonight? (great now, I'm sounding like a CHP officer).

Four sips of one glass. I haven't smoked in three or four weeks and I haven't drunk before this in 72 hours. I'm clean 'guv .

Inaccurate rantings? Forgive the presumption, but I've completely raped you!

	03-10-2004 08:18									#161
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Wot u riting bout?

	03-10-2004 08:19									#162
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quote: Originally posted by Whaleboy Four sips of one glass. I haven't smoked in three or four weeks and I haven't drunk before this in 72 hours. I'm clean 'guv . Inaccurate rantings? Forgive the presumption, but I've completely raped you!

Four sips of one glass? *picks up glass and throws it at you* You smell of it. Put your hands behind your back. I'm taking you in.

Completely raped me? No you haven't. I disproved your rantings (as homosexuality has nothing to do with pot smoking, nor does relationships).

	03-10-2004 08:21									#163
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*ALL* my mates smoke pot (I'm the only one out of 7 or 8 who doesn't) and I don't think any of them are gay, I don't think theres a connection....

	03-10-2004 08:21									#164
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quote: Wot u riting bout?

An existential dichotomy. Sex, violence, suicide, philosophy basically.

quote: Four sips of one glass? *picks up glass and throws it at you* You smell of it. Put your hands behind your back. I'm taking you in.

Make sure you use the pink fluffy cuffs!

quote: Completely raped me? No you haven't. I disproved your rantings (as homosexuality has nothing to do with pot smoking, nor does relationships).

That wasn't a refutation, that was a fallacious counter, that I have addressed, by my above differentiation (intent and action).

	03-10-2004 08:22									#165
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quote: Originally posted by Whaleboy That wasn't a refutation, that was a fallacious counter, that I have addressed, by my above differentiation (intent and action).

No you haven't. You failed in countering my claims with your ridiculous statements. You can't have a relationship with pot, as pot isn't a person. I'm sorry you lose. Bend over.

	03-10-2004 08:23									#166
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quote: Originally posted by Whaleboy An existential dichotomy. Sex, violence

No dichotomy there buddy

	03-10-2004 08:24									#167
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quote: Originally posted by Giancarlo I'm sorry you lose. Bend over.

Make 'im 'ave it!

	03-10-2004 08:24									#168
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quote: *ALL* my mates smoke pot (I'm the only one out of 7 or 8 who doesn't) and I don't think any of them are gay, I don't think theres a connection....

We were using the analogy earlier. Fez said that pot would destroy society, Asher took the mick and said that so would gay marriage. Fez has been trying to say that its different, since you choose to smoke pot, you don't choose who you love. I've been refuting him by saying that your own personal inclination, whether it be toward a particular person or to a particular substance, is irrelevant, since the state can't legistlate thoughts. You choose to engage in a relationship, you choose to smoke. You can't choose who you love or your own chemical desires.

For the record, I'm pro weed and pro gay rights, we were just using it as an analogy... it's all based on Asher's jest.

	03-10-2004 08:27									#169
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quote: No you haven't. You failed in countering my claims with your ridiculous statements. You can't have a relationship with pot, as pot isn't a person. I'm sorry you lose. Bend over.

Am I the only person who doesn't trust you with a baton?

quote: No dichotomy there buddy

The dichotomy is in the plot, not the themes. The dichotomy is a relationship, and a war. Sounds like I'm parodying Tolstoy but that wouldn't be fair. Would take a while to explain.

	03-10-2004 08:27									#170
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quote: Originally posted by Whaleboy You can't choose who you love or your own chemical desires.

I can, cocaine and Jennifer Ellision

	03-10-2004 08:28									#171
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quote: Originally posted by Whaleboy We were using the analogy earlier. Fez said that pot would destroy society, Asher took the mick and said that so would gay marriage. Fez has been trying to say that its different, since you choose to smoke pot, you don't choose who you love. I've been refuting him by saying that your own personal inclination, whether it be toward a particular person or to a particular substance, is irrelevant, since the state can't legistlate thoughts. You choose to engage in a relationship, you choose to smoke. You can't choose who you love or your own chemical desires. For the record, I'm pro weed and pro gay rights, we were just using it as an analogy... it's all based on Asher's jest.

Damn you, I said I was just joking. I wasn't serious about that. I said I don't care if you use pot or not later... it isn't of my concern. If you want to do so, fine with me. Just keep it out of my way. I'm gay. That isn't a personal inclination. Yes I choose to engage in a relationship, but what is at issue here is that a relationship is not in any way like pot. Homosexuality not in any way like pot. You are not born to smoke pot, and you can stop smoking pot. You can't stop being attracted to the same sex.

Your statements are the most ridiculous I have ever heard from people here.

	03-10-2004 08:31									#172
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quote: I can, cocaine and Jennifer Ellision

Touché. Having said that, her face looks way too crunched up, but then, who cares about her face!!!

Fez, I was using the two to demonstrate that where intent and consequence is concerned, you could use anything. Hunger pangs as choice of food, clothes - shirt or jumper, facial hair - gillette or fisher price.... see what I'm getting at? .

	03-10-2004 08:33									#173
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quote: Originally posted by Whaleboy Touché. Having said that, her face looks way too crunched up, but then, who cares about her face!!!

She's got that rare quality of looking pretty *AND* filthy

	03-10-2004 08:35									#174
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The man has a point

	03-10-2004 08:37									#175
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quote: Originally posted by Whaleboy Fez, I was using the two to demonstrate that where intent and consequence is concerned, you could use anything. Hunger pangs as choice of food, clothes - shirt or jumper, facial hair - gillette or fisher price.... see what I'm getting at? .

No you utterly failed.

	03-10-2004 08:41									#176
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Tell ya what, go and read Kant and Mill, then come back to me! I'm off to bed

	03-10-2004 09:06									#177
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quote: Originally posted by Whaleboy Tell ya what, go and read Kant and Mill, then come back to me! I'm off to bed

Read the Prince by Niccolo Machiavelli.

	03-10-2004 09:45									#178
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quote: Originally posted by Whaleboy Pot smoking is comparable to engaging in a relationship.... the act. The desire to smoke pot is comparable to the desire for another person (love). Simple isn't it?

I'll grant you that there is a desire to smoke pot is in some way comparable to a desire to have a relationship.

I'll grant you that smoking pot is in some vague way comparable to having a relationship (achieving above desires).

That doesn't not make them interchangeable in terms of significance, in terms of how ingrained they might be in someone's genetics or biology, or in any significant way.

You arguement could be just as easily used with the desire to kill and killing someone.

There are different levels of desire, and some desires are more easily controlled or eliminated than others.

So, in the strict sense, these two things are *comparable*, but they aren't equivalent or interchangeable in any signficant way.

Oh, and Mill would agree with me; maybe you should go read him again.

-Drachasor

PS. I might not agree with Giancarlo on many things, but you guys should hijack his thread with insults and an arguement that goes on forever. I don't think it is very considerate of your fellow poster, especially since there was nothing offensive about the original post as far as I can see. He didn't start an arguement with that post, so you should either not post or try to be polite. Civility is a good thing.

	03-10-2004 10:02									#179
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If you knew anything about the poster, you'd understand the reaction to this thread.

The relationship/gay vs pot thing was introduced with respect to Republican ideals and inconsistent opinions, and was intended mostly in a mockery of Giancarlo's ridiculously inconsistent opinions.

	03-10-2004 10:05									#180
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I understand that, and I know and knew that about the poster.

I just don't think a thread where he is trying to share some personal aspect of his life is the place to be forcing such a debate. Everyone deserves a little space and deference here and there. Frankly, I think it was just a bunch of people who enjoy giving him a hard time--that's how it looks, anyhow.

-Drachasor