03-10-2004 12:47									#91
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Gore won the first debate on substance; on style and on expectations, Bush won. And most importantly, Bush decisively won the post-debate spin on cable news

Kerry, OTOH, won on all of the aforementioned criteria.

	03-10-2004 12:49									#92
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Kerry is not really a big winner here. I'm sorry I still don't see how that is. His gain in the polls is very small.. and the DNC sponsored corruption in polls is much greater these days.

	03-10-2004 12:54									#93
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first debate was funny
when/what time is this cheney vs. edwards??

	03-10-2004 12:55									#94
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quote: Newsweek Poll: Stacked? Look at the makeup of Republicans vs. Democrats in Newsweek’s poll from September 11, 2004: NEWSWEEK POLL: Campaign 2004. 391 Republicans (plus or minus 6) 300 Democrats (plus or minus 7) 270 Independents (plus or minus 7) Compare against the same data from the new poll, which Newsweek is using to claim that Bush’s poll lead has “evaporated:” NEWSWEEK POLL: First Presidential Debate. 345 Republicans (plus or minus 6) 364 Democrats (plus or minus 6) 278 Independents (plus or minus 7) Did Newsweek choose a lower percentage of Republicans for the first debate to set up Kerry’s “comeback,” or did they stack the deck with more Democrats in the second poll?

Unless I'm missing something, doesn't this just show that the difference between Democrats and Republicans was only 20 in the Dems favour as opposed to 91 in the GOP's favour. Seems like the second is a tad more balanced IMO.

	03-10-2004 12:57									#95
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quote: Originally posted by Kalius Unless I'm missing something, doesn't this just show that the difference between Democrats and Republicans was only 20 in the Dems favour as opposed to 91 in the GOP's favour. Seems like the second is a tad more balanced IMO.

Actually that's not the point. What it shows is the race may have been always neck and neck, and Kerry didn't make any comeback because there wasn't a lead to begin with. I hate to acknowledge that but I think this nation has remain split before, and even after this debate.

	03-10-2004 13:00									#96
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The 2000 debates went like this:

1. Gore wins
2. Bush wins
3. Tie

	03-10-2004 13:01									#97
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quote: Originally posted by Zylka first debate was funny when/what time is this cheney vs. edwards??

Tuesday

Not sure what time, probably 6PM est again.

	03-10-2004 13:05									#98
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9PM ET

	03-10-2004 13:05									#99
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oops yeah that's right I'm thinking Pacific time again

	03-10-2004 13:05									#100
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Hmm, on any a different note, how many of you are gonna watch the VP debate? I know I certainly am, can't wait to see Edwards torn to pieces.

Anywayz, I'm gonna go to bed.. bf is coming by tomorrow.. ttyl.

	03-10-2004 13:07									#101
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quote: The 2000 debates went like this: 1. Gore wins 2. Bush wins 3. Tie

Actually Bush won the first debate big time on style. The 'sighing' of Gore may have cost him the election.

	03-10-2004 13:18									#102
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Do these VP debates matter?

	03-10-2004 13:36									#103
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui quote: The 2000 debates went like this: 1. Gore wins 2. Bush wins 3. Tie Actually Bush won the first debate big time on style. The 'sighing' of Gore may have cost him the election.

Gore won in the polls


But it was the analysis afterwards where Gore's win started to slip. He was still the winner though.

	03-10-2004 13:38									#104
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quote: Originally posted by alva Do these VP debates matter?

No but they sure are fun!


Actually I think this one does because I want to see Cheney exposed for the evil bastard that he is.

	03-10-2004 13:39									#105
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Ted Striker for President

I will bring all Capitalists and Commies together under my banner.

	03-10-2004 17:17									#106
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Vice Presidential debates are pointless, as was ably demonstrated by the Quayle - Bentson debate in 1988.

	03-10-2004 22:21									#107
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quote: Vice Presidential debates are pointless, as was ably demonstrated by the Quayle - Bentson debate in 1988.

I would of liked to see that...

Well I think people are paying more attention to vice presidents these days.

	03-10-2004 22:23									#108
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http://www.rasmussenreports.com/Pre...acking_Poll.htm

Rasmussen shows Bush still up 4.

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quote: Originally posted by Shi Huangdi http://www.rasmussenreports.com/Pre...acking_Poll.htm Rasmussen shows Bush still up 4.

"This includes 3% who are now voting for Kerry, 2% for Bush, and 1% who are now undecided."

Now what comes to mind is... what a waste of time that debate was...

	03-10-2004 23:54									#110
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Check back tomorrow. The Rasmussen poll is a three day rolling average. Tomorrow, we will have 3 nights of post-debate polling.

	03-10-2004 23:55									#111
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The real story has always been the internals, not the horse race, anyways. The horse race is a lagging indicator.

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quote: Originally posted by Ted Striker Edwards is going to DESTROY Cheney. I can't wait for this one. I mean Cheney is going to get PWN3D all over the floor. Edwards is going to expose this moron for the evil bastard that he is.

I have drooled already, when I think of the many ways Edwards will humiliate Cheney in their debate.

	04-10-2004 00:15									#113
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quote: Originally posted by Giancarlo I only support the moderate segments.

Apparently, you do not realize that Bush is a president who has had stronger ties with religious right organizations than some other past Republican presidents.


That is NOT moderation.

	04-10-2004 00:25									#114
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That's why he says, "God" all the time, so he can keep his people in line.

Kerry usurped him though in the debate when he ended his speech with, "God Bless America."

Slick.

	04-10-2004 00:33									#115
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quote: Originally posted by Ted Striker Ted Striker for President I will bring all Capitalists and Commies together under my banner.

Would Clinton be your VP?

	04-10-2004 01:36									#116
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Solid idea.

	04-10-2004 03:55									#117
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You know what my conclusion is - make sure you get your lazy a***s out there and vote, the election is so bloody close. Me, as a registered Republican (my ongoing joke is that I'm an endagered species, a moderate Republican) am trying to hook up with the local Democratic party and/or NAACP (our little girl's godmother is black - voted for Bush the first time, and is definitely voting against him this time) to provide taxi rides on election day. As many of you know, I have a personal grudge with Bush.

	04-10-2004 04:14									#118
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I feel the same way Shawn.

	04-10-2004 04:16									#119
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All polls are ****. They were **** when bush was ahead and they are **** now. The only poll that is worth anything is the one taken on Nov. 4th. Both sides can now come in from their respective ciricle jerks and rest easy till the night of Nov 3rd.


the smilely should have a happy face on it.

	04-10-2004 04:47									#120
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quote: Originally posted by Sprayber All polls are ****. They were **** when bush was ahead and they are **** now. The only poll that is worth anything is the one taken on Nov. 4th. Both sides can now come in from their respective ciricle jerks and rest easy till the night of Nov 3rd. the smilely should have a happy face on it.

Nitpick: Election day is 11/2, not 11/3. But yes, I understand and partially agree with the sentiment. (Polls are useful for judging momentum, but that's about it when we're this far out. all IMHO, of course.)