09-10-2004 07:54									#31
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quote: Originally posted by Comrade Tassadar Well yes, but at least Bush was able to deliver coherent answers now as opposed to "uh....um.....uh....."

Yeah, its true that this time he was able to form sentences that surprisingly made sense. Still the content was the same old same old. Dodging questions, making unfunny jokes, getting words wrong, appearing confused....

AND there it was

"Do I still have time?".."Nope"..30 looong seconds..."uhm..uhm"

	09-10-2004 07:55									#32
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quote: Originally posted by mrmitchell Oh yeah, and Dred Scott. Thanks for the history lesson Professor Bush

Yeah . . . . . .


there was definitely something wrong with the Bush described the Dredd Scott case.

	09-10-2004 07:55									#33
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Because Bush has consistently dodged questions about his mistakes, it would have been a huge surprise if he had actually answered this time.

	09-10-2004 07:55									#34
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quote: I kind of wonder why Kerry didn't mention the Union of Concerned Scientists statement on that one...

I agree. Kerry had lots to say on that issue, but didn't, for some reason. Don't know why. Bush hit the question out of the park.

Kerry didn't talk about slow job growth, but rather stuck to his pat answers. A huge opportunity missed. Bush did better than he should have on that question.

	09-10-2004 07:58									#35
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quote: Am I the only one obssessively annoyed by Bush's lack of a real answer to the final question?

I was annoyed by both of them NOT giving real answers on a number of questions.

To be fair on that one, though, that was pretty much a set up (Why not just ask, please give us three reasons not to vote for you.) - it makes far more sense to avoid the question then answer it.

Edit:"Not giving answers", not "giving answers.

	09-10-2004 08:00									#36
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Bush obviously won.

He didn't sheit his pants, that we know of, despite him looking like he would

He's against the slave trade

He knows of the "secret internet"

and

He didn't use the same closing speech that he did at the last debate



BUSH 2004

	09-10-2004 08:01									#37
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Edan, if voters want to vote only for a president that never makes mistakes and is perfect, then we would not have anyone to vote for.

So in that instance, Bush should have stepped forward like a man, and acknowledge three mistakes he made.

	09-10-2004 08:01									#38
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My Kerry response on that one was, after Bush finished not answering, to come up and say something like "Since the president didn't answer the question, I'll give you one of my mistakes instead. My mistake was trusting the President when he said he'd make a coalition"... etc. etc.

Yeah, I know it wouldn't happen, but it would have been cool.

	09-10-2004 08:01									#39
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Bush's closing speech was a lot better than Kerry's.

	09-10-2004 08:02									#40
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Both candidates skirted alot of questions... and I don't think saying "I have a plan" answers a question.

	09-10-2004 08:02									#41
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I would still say that Bush went into a lot more dtail than Kerry, specifically on the tax breaks. As an accountant, primarily working with taxes, I'd have to say that Bush has a better grasp of the situtation than Kerry.

	09-10-2004 08:03									#42
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quote: Originally posted by MrFun Edan, if voters want to vote only for a president that never makes mistakes and is perfect, then we would not have anyone to vote for. So in that instance, Bush should have stepped forward like a man, and acknowledge three mistakes he made.

he did!

he said his mistakes were in the appointments he made. He just didn't want to embarass them on national television.

	09-10-2004 08:04									#43
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Decisive Kerry victory.

He had the perfect answer to the abortion question, and Bush came across as LOUD and ANGRY for the first half of the debate.

Unfortunately I can forsee this being spun into a Bush victory since he didn't do as bad as last time.

	09-10-2004 08:04									#44
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quote: Originally posted by Harry Tuttle I would still say that Bush went into a lot more dtail than Kerry, specifically on the tax breaks. As being biased in favor of Bush, I'd have to say that Bush has a better grasp of the situtation than Kerry.

	09-10-2004 08:04									#45
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quote: Originally posted by Dissident he did! he said his mistakes were in the appointments he made. He just didn't want to embarass them on national television.

oh, wow

	09-10-2004 08:05									#46
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quote: Originally posted by MrFun

Yes, and, your rebuttal?

	09-10-2004 08:05									#47
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Dred Scott decided that Black men couldn't be citizens. Im not sure about property rights, Taney(chief justice) basically said that All men couldn't have included blacks

I missed the begining of the debate. So I thought it was dead even. Both avoided alot of questions. Either way were headed for deficits, Kerry lost me a little with this one.

	09-10-2004 08:05									#48
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I'm actually considering voting for Kerry instead of a 3rd party condidate now.

somebody stop me!!

I'm still kind of scared to vote for a liberal. I'm afraid doing so will turn me into some hideous pro-big goverment monster

	09-10-2004 08:05									#49
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quote: Originally posted by Harry Tuttle Yes, and, your rebuttal?

I take it you didn't even notice the "new" quote I created from your original statement?

	09-10-2004 08:06									#50
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quote: Originally posted by Dissident he did! he said his mistakes were in the appointments he made. He just didn't want to embarass them on national television.

Hehe.

Anyway, preliminary poll results:

Who won the second presidential debate?
President Bush


16%

4949 votes
John Kerry


83%

26448 votes
Evenly matched


1%

450 votes

Fox:


Who won Friday night's presidential debate?

a. President Bush
(30%)
4,328

b. Senator Kerry
(70%)
10,301

c. I did not watch
(0%)
52

d. None of the above
(0%)
31

14,712 total votes

	09-10-2004 08:06									#51
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quote: Originally posted by MrFun Am I the only one obssessively annoyed by Bush's lack of a real answer to the final question?

What do you think Kerry would have said? I'm sure he would have said his mistakes all related to giving Bush too much credibility in foreign policy information.

The question should not have been answered any more specifically than Bush did.

	09-10-2004 08:06									#52
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[quoteH]e had the perfect answer to the abortion question, and Bush came across as LOUD and ANGRY for the first half of the debate.[/quote]

I agree. However, most Dems are anti-abortion, and Kerry was obviously for it. That can hurt him

	09-10-2004 08:07									#53
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Geronimo, making some obscure, unclear reference to making appointment mistakes and then gloating about the right decisions you made, does not answer what was originally asked.

I bet the person who asked it was peeved.

	09-10-2004 08:07									#54
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quote: Originally posted by MrFun I take it you didn't even notice the "new" quote I created from your original statement?

Oh wow, that's cute. I wonder what bias you hold?

	09-10-2004 08:08									#55
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Tass; see teh amurican people agree with me

	09-10-2004 08:08									#56
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quote: Originally posted by Harry Tuttle Oh wow, that's cute. I wonder what bias you hold?

I'm biased in favor of Kerry -- but that did not stop me from critiquing Edwards's performance in the VP debate.

	09-10-2004 08:09									#57
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MrFun:

thats one of those questions that you get in school that ticks you off cause it should be easy but your mind can't think like that... it's one of those touchy-feely questions. you think Bush could just come up with 3 things (why in god's name did she pick 3? aint that a bit much?) that he considers mistakes and outline them in 2 minutes? yeah right. that was a bad question.

	09-10-2004 08:09									#58
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quote: most Dems are anti-abortion

They are?

	09-10-2004 08:09									#59
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quote: Am I the only one obssessively annoyed by Bush's lack of a real answer to the final question?

Yes. I think he answered that question as well as he could considering it was quite loaded. Besides, there were huge dodges by both of them in many questions. Particularly as Diss noted, the deficit question I really wanted to hear how their numbers stacked up.

Both must be using "fuzzy math" because their numbers can't possibly compute. Both propose new spending, both promise tax cuts, and both want to cut the deficit in half. Ummm. Doesn't work. Gibson was great for really pressing that issue, asking both of them several times to put up some numbers, but both refused to do so. That should bother you more, Fun.

	09-10-2004 08:09									#60
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quote: Originally posted by MrFun I'm biased in favor of Kerry -- but that did not stop me from critiquing Edwards's performance in the VP debate.

I'm critiqueing! I just think Bush won.