09-10-2004 08:40									#91
	Enter the AD-FREE zone

Oh God. Coulter is going to be on CNN next.

Wonder who she's going to say won?

	09-10-2004 08:42									#92
	Help yourself to an AD-FREE life

I tire of networks asking Kerry and Bush campaign officials "Who do you think won?"

Gee, I wonder who they'll say won

	09-10-2004 08:43									#93
	Get a bigger avatar today!

quote: Originally posted by Harry Tuttle Hmmm, project of yours Diss?

actually, I just may do that.

I wish I knew more about designing websites. Not much time left before the election to do it.

think about it. What better way to get communism into the country, than if we elect a president who is so bad he will bring democracy down.

this idea has merit. Of course I'm not communist, but I just find the notion of communism so funny. It's fun to make fun of them.

	09-10-2004 08:44									#94
	Lose 30 kilos (of popups)

Yeah, it's almost as annoying as the whole "how do you feel" question that's always asked whenever there's a fire/flood/earthquake/shooting/pretzel choking.

	09-10-2004 08:45									#95
	Full PM-box? Change here!

quote: Originally posted by dv8ed Oh God. Coulter is going to be on CNN next. Wonder who she's going to say won?

she's on now.

:drools:

it scares me being so attracted to a man like Ann Coulter.

	09-10-2004 08:45									#96
	Support Apolyton, buy Galactic Civilizations

quote: Originally posted by dv8ed I'm just relieved that Bush is against a pro-slavery court. Bush seemed rather confused at times...I'm not sure he understood some of the questions. I really can't believe his answer on the PATRIOT Act question. He's lost touch with reality.

I thought that he was going to lose it at times.

The guy is seriously wack.

He ends every sentence on a defensive squealy high pitch, it's like when your mom asked who broke the lamp i thought i told you boys to stop throwing the football in the house, no mom we didn't do it, kinda tone.

War on terror, 9/11, freedom, liberty, my opponent flip flops

Come up with some new material for once.

Honestly I thought there were two PWNAGES in the first 45 minutes of the debate:

1) Kerry PWNING Bush
2) Bush PWNING himself

He cut off the moderator a couple of times and often started talking before being asked to. It just adds to his character as a man who is impatient and used to getting whatever he wants. Not in command of his own emotions, out of touch with the common man, and living in his own reality where only his opinion matters.

Only Ted Striker is correct 100% of the time, not President Bush.

	09-10-2004 08:48									#97
	Get a bigger avatar today!

Coulter says the democrats would not have faught in WW2.

	09-10-2004 08:51									#98
	Full PM-box? Change here!

quote: Originally posted by Comrade Tassadar I tire of networks asking Kerry and Bush campaign officials "Who do you think won?" Gee, I wonder who they'll say won

I hate it when the one side says the other side is right and agrees with them. It was mostly Kerry doing this. But I think Bush did it once or twice. Don't say your opponent is right. Call him a moron and give proof why you think they are wrong.

I guess you have to do things like that when you vote the way you did... What was Kerry thinking voting for the war. And supporting the Patriot act. And the No child left behind act.

	09-10-2004 08:52									#99
	Support Apolyton, buy Call to Power 2

I liked that pro-life girl in the crowd. Easily the hottest audience member. I'd be pro life for her, well unless she got pregnant. Did anyone else think she was going to cry.

	09-10-2004 08:53									#100
	Browse Apolyton AD-FREE

I liked the older redhed with the skirt on better.

	09-10-2004 08:54									#101
	Support Apolyton, buy Civilization 2

that was a tough question she asked Kerry. People call the last question loaded against Bush. But you have to admit, the abortion question against Kerry was a bit loaded.

Kerry really had no choice but to dodge the question. Of course he's going to use federal funds for abortion.

But he did great. A good job in saying he represents all faiths, not just catholics. He has to represent the agnostics, athiests, and jews.

	09-10-2004 08:54									#102
	Support Apolyton, buy Galactic Civilizations

Bush did better but still lost. He continues to pass up the easily dispelled lies of Kerry regarding Shinseki, Tora Bora, etc.

	09-10-2004 08:54									#103
	Support Apolyton buy from Amazon

poll read on CNN:

Kerry 47%
Bush 45%

	09-10-2004 08:55									#104
	Support Apolyton, pre-order Civilization IV

"Real" poll just mentioned by Larry King: Bush: 45%, Kerry: 47%

500 people? That's it?

Edit: dammit!

	09-10-2004 08:57									#105
	Suffering from ads?

500 peeps is fine if you have a proper sample.

	09-10-2004 08:58									#106
	Full PM-box? Change here!

quote: Originally posted by Dissident poll read on CNN: Kerry 47% Bush 45%

Hmm? The website is saying:

President Bush


18%

35081 votes
John Kerry


80%

158281 votes
Evenly matched


2%

3671 votes

	09-10-2004 09:00									#107
	Support Apolyton, buy Call to Power 2

quote: Originally posted by Comrade Tassadar Hmm? The website is saying: President Bush 18% 35081 votes John Kerry 80% 158281 votes Evenly matched 2% 3671 votes

The poll was a phone poll with random sampling being utilized. The reality is online polls don't mean much.

	09-10-2004 09:00									#108
	Enter the AD-FREE zone

funny, no one noticed this from ABC:

Halperin Memo Dated Friday October 8, 2004

It goes without saying that the stakes are getting very high for the country and the campaigns - and our responsibilities become quite grave

I do not want to set off (sp?) and endless colloquy that none of us have time for today - nor do I want to stifle one. Please respond if you feel you can advance the discussion.

The New York Times (Nagourney/Stevenson) and Howard Fineman on the web both make the same point today: the current Bush attacks on Kerry involve distortions and taking things out of context in a way that goes beyond what Kerry has done.

Kerry distorts, takes out of context, and mistakes all the time, but these are not central to his efforts to win.

We have a responsibility to hold both sides accountable to the public interest, but that doesn't mean we reflexively and artificially hold both sides "equally" accountable when the facts don't warrant that.

I'm sure many of you have this week felt the stepped up Bush efforts to complain about our coverage. This is all part of their efforts to get away with as much as possible with the stepped up, renewed efforts to win the election by destroying Senator Kerry at least partly through distortions.

It's up to Kerry to defend himself, of course. But as one of the few news organizations with the skill and strength to help voters evaluate what the candidates are saying to serve the public interest. Now is the time for all of us to step up and do that right.




___________________________________
also
did anyone else hear Kerry say he would raise taxes on corporations to pay for increased govt spending after he said he would lower corporate taxes as incentive for them to stay in the us.

there are more contradictions, which bush pointed out...
however few seem capable of of looking at the logic of what each candidate says.

I guess Kerry cant remember what side to argue when he doesnt have a cheat sheet in front of him to remind him (look at the nbc or foxnews 1st debate film when kerry enters and goes to the podium)

	09-10-2004 09:04									#109
	Put an end to popups!

He said he was going to close tax loopholes for corporations that do alot of offshore type of business. That's not "raising taxes."

Some kinds of offshoring practices are outright scandaleous, and should be put to a stop anyway.

	09-10-2004 09:04									#110
	Suffering from ads?

what are you guy's thoughts on the stem cell question?

I thought Kerry owned that question. But then again, I'm not religious.

	09-10-2004 09:07									#111
	Support Apolyton, buy Civilization: The Boardgame

quote: Originally posted by Dissident what are you guy's thoughts on the stem cell question? I thought Kerry owned that question. But then again, I'm not religious.

I thought he did well for the type of question it was. But it's not a question you can really handle well.

A couple of channels have now mentioned that Bush didn't answer the last question.

	09-10-2004 09:07									#112
	Help yourself to an AD-FREE life

yes striker kerry said that,

I have the debate taped,

Kerry also said he would lower corporate taxes.

	09-10-2004 09:08									#113
	Support Apolyton, buy Call to Power 2

I disagree. Bush answered that question better as he provided for both sides of the issue... saying no new stem cell lines would be created/killed, only established ones. that helps both the scientific community and religious people.

	09-10-2004 09:08									#114
	Support Apolyton, buy Alpha Centauri

I thought Bush bombed with his opening and then his second sentence pretty much contradicted it. Kerry showed his view, and was clear.

	09-10-2004 09:09									#115
	Suffering from ads?

Bush vs. Gibson

	09-10-2004 09:09									#116
	Support Apolyton, buy Civilization 2

quote: Originally posted by Albert Speer I disagree. Bush answered that question better as he provided for both sides of the issue... saying no new stem cell lines would be created/killed, only established ones. that helps both the scientific community and religious people.

How does it help the scientific community? They're the ones calling for Bush's head on a platter because of this, among other things...

	09-10-2004 09:13									#117
	Enter the AD-FREE zone

stem cells should not be subsidized, that money would go to multimillion dollar multinational corporattion rahter than the poor people here in the US

PS: the south park episode about stem cells is funny

	09-10-2004 09:14									#118
	Help yourself to an AD-FREE life

at least they got those 21 stem lines... they could very easily have nothing. Bush is balancing both interests.

and am i the only apolytoner who will be voting for Bush? Are Slowwwhand and Lincoln still going to vote Bush?

	09-10-2004 09:15									#119
	Full PM-box? Change here!

quote: Originally posted by Moral Hazard I'd be pro life for her, well unless she got pregnant.

quote: Originally posted by Moral Hazard Did anyone else think she was going to cry.

It looked like she had been crying. I think that question was a very personal one for her.

-Drachasor

	09-10-2004 09:15									#120
	Browse Apolyton AD-FREE

and Kerry owned the drug import from Canada issue.

Bush really looked foolish there. Bringing up clinton did nothing for him.

Bush did a little better on the Iraq issue though. This is mainly because of Kerry's voting record with regards to Iraq. Kerry screwed himself with that.