10-10-2004 10:02									#61
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quote: Originally posted by DanS Geez, dude. Who pissed in your cornflakes? From what I've been told, US-related issues weren't predominate in this election (it's Australia, not the US, after all).

Regarding the original post and the general implication that the OZ gov't is a US puppet.

I wasn't made though...

	10-10-2004 10:31									#62
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quote: Originally posted by Gibsie Here's a little tip: if you don't know the answer to a question, don't attempt to answer it, no matter how witty you might think you're being.

Only if you swear to adhear to the same rules

	10-10-2004 10:33									#63
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Che you'd probably love it in NZ, our govt's reasonably liberal. Reasonably. Our elections are next year.

The result in Aus doesn't surprise me.

And Lord Azreal, That's one hot girl in your avatar. The rest of the pic

	10-10-2004 10:35									#64
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara * chegitz guevara crosses Oz off possible places for being an ex-pat for the next few years.

man, you talk and talk. When are you making the move? You and Sava can share a flat

	10-10-2004 10:44									#65
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quote: Originally posted by Sprayber man, you talk and talk. When are you making the move? You and Sava can share a flat

Dude, it has nothin' to do with Bush. I just wanna see the world and try something different.

	10-10-2004 11:17									#66
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara Dude, it has nothin' to do with Bush. I just wanna see the world and try something different.

I'm teasen man.

	10-10-2004 11:20									#67
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And I'm hungry. I've already had a salad, 1.5 pork chops, and two brownies. I'm about ready to open a package of mashed potatoes.

	10-10-2004 11:49									#68
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What do they do to people who don't vote?

	10-10-2004 12:41									#69
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People would throw a hissy fit if there was mandatory voting in America. Why, they'd come out in droves to do what they could to get a constitutional ban on mandatory voting. *cough*

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	10-10-2004 16:10									#70
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quote: Originally posted by notyoueither What do they do to people who don't vote?

If you didn't vote and can't come up with a good excuse then you get fined $20. If you challenge this in court and lose the fine is upped to $50 + court costs.

...and you don't actually have to actually vote anyway - all you need to do is to turn up to a polling station and get your name crossed off the list. As AH's post clearly illustrates, no-one actually forces you to do anything productive with your ballet papers.

	10-10-2004 16:21									#71
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara And I'm hungry. I've already had a salad, 1.5 pork chops, and two brownies. I'm about ready to open a package of mashed potatoes.

Dude, you're on a budget.

	10-10-2004 17:00									#72
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quote: Originally posted by Case ...and you don't actually have to actually vote anyway - all you need to do is to turn up to a polling station and get your name crossed off the list.

Case is right - the requirement is to attend a polling place.

Most people do vote though - 100 spoiled or blank ballots over 4000 is much less than 1% not voting - and some obviously tried but messed it up.

	10-10-2004 17:09									#73
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Oz sucks. Can't we pay Indonesia to annex the place?

	10-10-2004 17:52									#74
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quote: Originally posted by Flip McWho And Lord Azreal, That's one hot girl in your avatar. The rest of the pic

I've never been completely sure it wasn't a guy with a kinda girlish face and long hair.

	10-10-2004 18:29									#75
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quote: Originally posted by Kuciwalker I've never been completely sure it wasn't a guy with a kinda girlish face and long hair.

You're kidding, right?

	10-10-2004 18:44									#76
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Go easy on Kuci, he obviously has trouble recognising hot girls.

	10-10-2004 18:45									#77
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That said, what have you done to her eyes?

	10-10-2004 18:51									#78
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I didn't do anything to the eyes. I probably linked the full picture I just posted to a different URL from the one I downloaded to make into my avatar. All I did was cut, paste, crop and resize to 80x80.

	10-10-2004 18:51									#79
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quote: Originally posted by Dauphin Go easy on Kuci, he obviously has trouble recognising hot girls.

Be easy on him - he's just an innocent kid!

CT doing his best nonewithstanding.

	10-10-2004 18:53									#80
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The girl I gave a lift to looked just like that.

	10-10-2004 20:47									#81
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quote: Originally posted by The Mad Monk Dude, you're on a budget.

Yeah, but I was famished. I've cut down to two meals a day, and I'm dropping the Atkins thing until we get more money. Looks like a lot of pasta and tuna dinners for a while.

	10-10-2004 22:32									#82
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quote: Originally posted by Whaleboy That's fine, but I don't think you can attack modern liberalism using that as a premise or an example. I don't see modern liberalism being anything especially different from classical liberalism, same essential philosophy, different implimentation because of a different world.

Today, liberals in the US are more focused on government programs that force people to be dependent upon the government rather than being dependent upon themselves. These programs are truly antithetical to the libertarian spirit. Modern liberals are truly anti-libertarian outside the area of libertinism where they excel in their love for a so-called "liberated" lifestyle.

Your turn to defend liberalism.

	10-10-2004 22:55									#83
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quote: Originally posted by Ned Today, liberals in the US are more focused on government programs that force people to be dependent upon the government rather than being dependent upon themselves. These programs are truly antithetical to the libertarian spirit. Modern liberals are truly anti-libertarian outside the area of libertinism where they excel in their love for a so-called "liberated" lifestyle.

Interesting nonsense. How could programs that are voluntary "force" anyone to depend on them? As for being antithetical to the liberterian spirit- GOOD. the liberterian "spirit" is a petty, greedy spirit, one that achieves little if anything.

The only people "froced" to rely on government programs are those who would start or freeze on the street otherwise- but who decided its not in their self-interets to die.

	10-10-2004 22:58									#84
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Get real, GePap. Kerry and his merry liberal crew are pushing for nationization of health care.

Comment?

	10-10-2004 23:01									#85
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quote: Originally posted by Ned Get real, GePap. Kerry and his merry liberal crew are pushing for nationization of health care. Comment?

HMM..Good

The state should ensure everyone has access to health care, just as we ensure everyone has access to education. If people want to chose a private alternative, fine, but people should always have access.

I guess you oppose this notion?

	10-10-2004 23:13									#86
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GePap, I support assuring everyone has access to health care. But there are sharp differences between the way liberals want to do it and the way Republicans want to do it. Hillary proposed nationalization of health care, removing choice. Kerry's plan is similar.

Just for example, the Dems want to impose price controls by the artiface of government being the sole purchaser of drugs. As we have seen in the case of vaccines, this results in chronic shortages and rationing.

	10-10-2004 23:18									#87
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quote: Originally posted by Ned GePap, I support assuring everyone has access to health care. But there are sharp differences between the way liberals want to do it and the way Republicans want to do it. Hillary proposed nationalization of health care, removing choice. Kerry's plan is similar.

Ned, you are as trustworthy a source on infoirmation about things as Pravda was about the SU. Obviously you have little clue about the Kerry health care plan (Main point being removing the cost of catastrophic care from private providers)

quote: Just for example, the Dems want to impose price controls by the artiface of government being the sole purchaser of drugs. As we have seen in the case of vaccines, this results in chronic shortages and rationing.

Actually, the Democrats want the government to have the same advantage WalMart gets by being the biggest buyer- ie, a mass discount-but for some reason the Republican congress was opposed to this...

	10-10-2004 23:46									#88
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Ned like Bush is now 0 for 2 in the debates

	11-10-2004 01:41									#89
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Nothing wrong with state health care. We have it here. Its wonderful. Waiting lists may be a little on the long side but hey, if you need something done at least you don't have to fork tonnes of cash (which you mightn't have) to have it done privately. Privately is usually the better option because of the old maxim you 'get what you paid for'.

	11-10-2004 02:01									#90
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quote: Originally posted by Flip McWho Nothing wrong with state health care. We have it here. Its wonderful. Waiting lists may be a little on the long side but hey, if you need something done at least you don't have to fork tonnes of cash (which you mightn't have) to have it done privately. Privately is usually the better option because of the old maxim you 'get what you paid for'.

Why of course, rationing and long waits is exactly what one gets when government is the sole provider. That there is a better way is lost on the socialists who crave power more than anything else.