18-10-2004 23:40									#31
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quote: Originally posted by Kassiopeia I like the idea. We should probably arrange it to have the same factions we have in the actual game. Googlie could even come up with a mockup of the actual game terrain based on wild inference of what we know now.

I'd rather have Googlie in the game itself. Reason being; that when (not if) alliances are forged, there will be someone else (besides me and Maniac) that can figure / suggest tech leapfrogs and such with someone who hasn't ever done this in MP.

(Besides, I want to see how far I can outpace him while he's farming and mining... )

It would have to be set up (CMN'd) by an outside source (maybe Darsnan). And it should be just a "regular" game. The intent is to gather experience with MP PBEM's. (I understand that Maniac and Googlie already have some sort of program that replicates what is already happening in the demo game. So no need to do something we already have.)


Edit:

Someone (besides me, cause I can't) should start a dedicated thread with a poll or something

	19-10-2004 04:03									#32
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quote: Originally posted by KrysiasKrusader If you want to kill probe foils quickly near a base. Build an artillery unit (any kind of arty what-so-ever will do).

I don't disagree - in fact in a current SP game I'm building arty in numbers for the first time in a game.

But we need Polysoft for arty, and we don't have it yet

	19-10-2004 04:09									#33
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quote: Originally posted by Maniac That would mean losing the ability to prototype/crawler-hurry though.

Just to test it, I went back into that 2142 presend save and where we had rushed the Crypteia (Sparta Command, 16 mins completed, 4 next turn) I went to the workshop and deleted the unit (it's actually the "retire" command). As commented on by Maniac, the build changed to stockpile energy. Changed then to a synthmetal garrison unit (prototype) and of course it came with the same 16 mins filled and 4 to go next turn (instant prototype completed)

	19-10-2004 09:34									#34
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quote: Originally posted by Googlie ... I went to the workshop and deleted the unit (it's actually the "retire" command). ...

Okaaaaay. It works for me to. Well, in SMAX any ways.

	19-10-2004 19:00									#35
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The 2143 turn is in

We received 4 ec's from our profut sharing plan with Morgan

Here are our base builds, etc:

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	19-10-2004 19:14									#36
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Zak Infiltrated

.... and he has Ecol Eng

Should we attempt the techsteal? (it's random what we get, so we may not pull it off - the other ones we could get are Biogenetics or Social Psych)

But we lost the probe team in the infiltration

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	19-10-2004 20:03									#37
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I'd say we go for it - it's why we came after all!!

(and if we do get it, change to Doc Initiative, if offered?)

	19-10-2004 20:25									#38
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Moves so far:

• Rio Grande founded. Scout escort rehomed there and put on Alert
  
• Fort Buster's probe team moved to Rio Grande
  
• Hermes moved to Universaity Base Bay, unloaded one probe team who infiltrated Zak, but was lost in the process
  
• Tomcats 2, 3 & 6 completed the interior road network. Only Minas Tirith is not connected (bothe 2 and 3 got bogged down in the river bed trying to climb to the rolling & rainy tiles)
  
• Spartan Kel moved from monolith back to Cratersouth to garrison there
  
• Shinsengumi moved from Cratersouth to Fort Buster ready for the pop growth next turn
  
• Pegasus backtracked to pick up the OA probe team, then hove to offshore
  
• Klutzy-footed probe team took a wrong turning and missed the rendezvous with the Pegasus (damn diagonal keys!! - will have to take a running jumo next turn to board the Pegasus (but no harm done, as the Pegasus is exactly where it would be if it had boarded the Probe team in the bay)
  
• Invincible continued SouthWest to the landmass we can see - encountered the 80% damaged Hive Sloop
  
• R-112 still boxed in - called Yang to see if he would demand withdrawal, but all of a sudded he "sees that he has misjudged our strength" (We are now FORMIDABLE!!) and has asked for Gene Splicing

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	19-10-2004 20:32									#39
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Gee, I gotta stop playing these turns at 7 - 8 am Pacific Time - there's no-one on-line to get a second opinion from. Just ties up the PC!!

	19-10-2004 20:38									#40
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I turned him down.

We can always trade later (maybe for Opticals instea dof Polysoft)

Just can't risk the other 2 teams getting GS from yang instead of from us

	19-10-2004 20:45									#41
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• We have successfully extracted the files on Ecol Engineering from Zak
  
• Our Probe team has returned to Vladivostok
  
• Our probe team has been promoted to veteran status
  
• Zak slapped our wrists ("Be warned, etc etc")

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	19-10-2004 20:45									#42
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I opened the turn this afternoon (parents are on holiday for two days so I needed to go home to feed the cat ), and Zak was unwilling to talk to me. Is anyone else able to contact them, or can we forget about the idea to pact with Zak and trade instead of steal EcoEng?

Question: if because of this we'd decide to stick with the original plan after all (war/probe rape of Zak, peace with Hive), how fast could we get another trannie filled with probes near a Uni base, supposing we moved our 2-MP probe teams as soon as possible to VV, and hurry the transport there? Before or after we'd research EcoEng ourselves?

	19-10-2004 20:48									#43
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W00t!! EcoEng already stolen! Disregard my comments above.


Btw, now we're sure we'll next research a tech no else has, I'd propose to switch energy allocations to 60% labs.

	19-10-2004 20:50									#44
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Ag - great. Someone else online!!

Which tech to change to (game is open, on hold, at the techchoice screen)

	19-10-2004 20:53									#45
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I say we still keep to our plan for Doc Initiative. We'll have so many hi-grade techs to swap that getting HEC won't be too difficult, IMO

	19-10-2004 20:59									#46
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Well err... actually I consider all three techs you suggested great and thus don't really care.

But if I really had to make a choice, it would be between HEC and DocIni.
HEC plasma armour, meaning we could upgrade to 0-2t-1 crawlers while still not losing the ability to crawler-hurry.
DocIni giving cruisers, making invasion much easier in the near future...

If only we knew whether the Angels were interested to give us HEC in a trade...

Damn need to go, the faculty's network node is about to close.

Edit: Ah I see Googlie already decided. No hard decision for me to make.

	19-10-2004 21:01									#47
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LOL - how indecisive can one get??

Here is the dilemma:

Doc Initiative = cruisers, chance to build the MCC, amphibious pods on our troops

HEC = Plasma armor, as well as the aforementioned fasttrack thru SFF to D:AP

Neural Grafting = bioenhancement center capability (with its +2 morale) as well as the chance to build the NG (for the evental war with the Gaians)

	19-10-2004 21:09									#48
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Took Doc Initiative (I need to exit, too, for a dental appointment)

Adjucted sliders - Doc Initiative in 2149

Rushed former at Rio Grande for 15 ec's as advertised

Here's the midturn save as i go for my appointment

(btw, I think that the Angels traded Applied Physics to the Gaians for our commlink)

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	19-10-2004 21:42									#49
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Now about those build orders.

As we have ecol Eng, I'd say we start an aggressive borehole program (at least 1 per base) to offset the industry penalty (and while formers are gang-forming boreholes that base can be building a crawler to work it - it's going to be some time before we get to Env Econ and the lifting of energy restrictions, so minerals are the thing for now, I'd say)

And that, to me, points to more formers. For the 3 mature bases I'd go for formers (Sparta Command, Sector Craterwest and Fort Buster) For Minas Tirith I'd like to see a Hoplite unit there (to free up Chiron Knights) - and I think its former should head for the mineral special and mine there.

Just my thoughts

	19-10-2004 22:11									#50
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WOOT! Ecol Eng! Boreholes! Boreholes! This is giving us an advantage we shouldn't give away (= trade) too lightly.

	19-10-2004 22:37									#51
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I just downloaded the midturn save posted above.
Back soon...

	19-10-2004 22:52									#52
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quote: Originally posted by Googlie Now about those build orders. As we have ecol Eng, I'd say we start an aggressive borehole program (at least 1 per base) to offset the industry penalty (and while formers are gang-forming boreholes that base can be building a crawler to work it - it's going to be some time before we get to Env Econ and the lifting of energy restrictions, so minerals are the thing for now, I'd say) And that, to me, points to more formers. For the 3 mature bases I'd go for formers (Sparta Command, Sector Craterwest and Fort Buster) For Minas Tirith I'd like to see a Hoplite unit there (to free up Chiron Knights) - and I think its former should head for the mineral special and mine there. Just my thoughts

	19-10-2004 23:12									#53
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Intel gathering...

- Lal still refuses to talk.
- Zakharov refuses to talk (no surprise)
- Yang: First I have to refuse the pact offer to war against the gaians. Next is the demand for gene splicing. An outright refusal leads to nothing happening with anything else I try to negotiate. If I give it to him "gratis", I still can't negotiate nothing else. the same applies if I also demand for a trade with polysoft. So Yang is a dead end road for now...

	20-10-2004 00:36									#54
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I've noticed that units who are put on "Hold (On Alert)" already start their turn with "ALREADY MOVED". That's rather annoying as it means you can't for example react to sudden events like a new b-drone force you to shuffle with garrisons. May I therefore suggest that all those units are put on "Sentry/Board Transport" = "l" instead?

	20-10-2004 01:10									#55
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Good point. I've never usaed the "on Alert" feature (except for aircraft) till a few turns ago in this game. I'll change status next time I fire up the sav

	20-10-2004 01:43									#56
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Opened the turn and executed additional moves:

• Sparta Command's Crypteia is refreshing itself at Santiago Citadel en route for Gythium Harbour (will reach there next turn - 2144)
  
• Tomcat-7 (Minas Tirith) south into the fungus en-route to mine (farm as wekk?) to min special
  
• Hunter moves west, encounters fungus but continues - anchors in Morgan's Red Fungus Resort Bay
  
• Changed all units in bases from "On Alert" to "Sentry - Board Transport"

	20-10-2004 01:45									#57
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The Morgan map (this'll be the "Captains' Log - 2143" that we send them

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	20-10-2004 01:46									#58
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Invincible's "Captains Log - 2143"

(Note that I have hilited what appears to be the Hive-Gaians ' border)

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	20-10-2004 01:48									#59
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And if it is, their nearest base (Gaians, that is) must be 11 tiles southeast or thereabouts (as Yang's is 11 northwest ................. )

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	20-10-2004 02:13									#60
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Woohoo! Way to go with grapping EcoEng! We need to pump formers out like crazy now.

BTW, I noticed that Yang's ship is getting close to Lal's continent. It won't be too long before he makes contact with Lal.