12-10-2004 23:30									#31
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Those proto-star destroyers viewed at the end of AOTC would be my point. How do you get from a small-med sized landing craft to a gigantic battleship like 50 times the size within 20 years? If the designs for all these ships have been in the works the whole time, why have all these proto-ships? Why not just build the real thing?

I think the understanding must be that yes, these proto-ships were underdesign and construction in preperation for this time when they were actually used, but any ships after that were developed after that. Also, besides general shape I doubt there would be much real similarity between the wedge shaped landing craft and real star destroyers.

As for the dating, I think the time is fairly clear as we have the life of Luke & Leia as certainties. Luke was like 19 in episode 4. I'm thinking they were conceived when Anakin and Amadala were off on that vacation and got married in AOTC. So 19-20 years between that point and A New Hope.

	12-10-2004 23:37									#32
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quote: Originally posted by OzzyKP As for the dating, I think the time is fairly clear as we have the life of Luke & Leia as certainties. Luke was like 19 in episode 4. I'm thinking they were conceived when Anakin and Amadala were off on that vacation and got married in AOTC. So 19-20 years between that point and A New Hope.

I don't know that I agree with this (although we would need to see more evidence eithier way). We know that the twins were immediately removed from the situation and hidden away due to Anakin's conversion to the dark side. I would think that this would be some time in the future from their honeymoon (more than the obvious 9 months it would take). Hopefully, the next episode will tell the tale.

	12-10-2004 23:39									#33
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Yea, i think all that will come to pass in the next movie. But I dunno how up for sha.gging Padme will be once Anakin puts on all the machinery. Unless she's into it.

	12-10-2004 23:39									#34
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	12-10-2004 23:45									#35
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quote: Originally posted by OzzyKP Yea, i think all that will come to pass in the next movie. But I dunno how up for sha.gging Padme will be once Anakin puts on all the machinery. Unless she's into it.

Now THAT would be a movie worth seeing!

	12-10-2004 23:59									#36
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It seemed from Ben's comments in the original trilogy like Anakin had actually been a good jedi for a fair amount of time. It seemed like Ani had been grown up when Ben first met him. I don't really see anything good about Ani in AotC.

All humans in the Milky Way are descendants of colonists from the SW Galaxy. And when the Milky Way or the Universe ends, people from here will travel to the beginning of the universe and colonize the SW Galaxy.

Seriously, maybe the TV series will show us what's happening there now.

	13-10-2004 00:41									#37
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quote: Originally posted by OzzyKP I think the understanding must be that yes, these proto-ships were underdesign and construction in preperation for this time when they were actually used, but any ships after that were developed after that. Also, besides general shape I doubt there would be much real similarity between the wedge shaped landing craft and real star destroyers.

Well, there were ships in comparable size. Such as the Dreadnaughts.

	13-10-2004 02:07									#38
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The Dreadnaughts were only half the size of an ISD.

	13-10-2004 02:34									#39
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We're talking Victory Class, not Imperial.

	13-10-2004 02:46									#40
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That's still only 2/3 the size.

	13-10-2004 03:39									#41
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so? why does it have to be any closer to that size?

	13-10-2004 03:41									#42
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quote: If the designs for all these ships have been in the works the whole time, why have all these proto-ships? Why not just build the real thing?

Well the easy answer would be that the Republic felt it had no need for them since everything was peaceful and had been for a long time. They had the proto designs just in case.

	13-10-2004 04:25									#43
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quote: Originally posted by OzzyKP Those proto-star destroyers viewed at the end of AOTC would be my point. How do you get from a small-med sized landing craft to a gigantic battleship like 50 times the size within 20 years? If the designs for all these ships have been in the works the whole time, why have all these proto-ships? Why not just build the real thing? I think the understanding must be that yes, these proto-ships were underdesign and construction in preperation for this time when they were actually used, but any ships after that were developed after that. Also, besides general shape I doubt there would be much real similarity between the wedge shaped landing craft and real star destroyers.

Well, in the books, the Imperial Star Destroyer was predated by the Victory-class SD, constructed under orders of Palpatine during the last days of the Old Republic.

	13-10-2004 04:37									#44
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I thought I heard that Episode 3 takes place about 8-10 years after Episode 2 - at the end of the Clone Wars - that would certainly fit Anakin having been a good Jedi for a decent amount of time plus some weapons advancement since AOTC.

Plus 8-10 years of "emergency powers" rule could make it easier to transition to the Imperial style of government.

An interesting rumor I heard was that Chancellor Palpatine is actually the clone of Darth Siddious and that's why Yoda didn't suspect Palpatine - he didn't feel any Sith power in him - and that during ROTS - Siddious kills Palpatine and simply replaces him - THAT would perhaps be interesting at least

	13-10-2004 04:55									#45
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quote: Originally posted by Sharpe An interesting rumor I heard was that Chancellor Palpatine is actually the clone of Darth Siddious and that's why Yoda didn't suspect Palpatine - he didn't feel any Sith power in him - and that during ROTS - Siddious kills Palpatine and simply replaces him - THAT would perhaps be interesting at least

Don't advance that theory at on a star wars site or you will be hunted down and killed.

	13-10-2004 04:57									#46
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quote: Originally posted by Sharpe An interesting rumor I heard was that Chancellor Palpatine is actually the clone of Darth Siddious and that's why Yoda didn't suspect Palpatine - he didn't feel any Sith power in him - and that during ROTS - Siddious kills Palpatine and simply replaces him - THAT would perhaps be interesting at least

What a load of crap. Although considering what Lucas has pulled with these "prequels", it would fit right in.

	13-10-2004 05:23									#47
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Ozzy, I can't believe you, of all people, would deny the Empire the glory and grandeur it so deserves just because it's too young for your tastes.

	13-10-2004 07:30									#49
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quote: Originally posted by Sprayber Don't advance that theory at on a star wars site or you will be hunted down and killed.

Wellllllll, yes and no. In the books, clones with hyper accelerated growth outside of the force do exhibit tell tale signs of being clones...

BUT, clones grown at a normal, accelerated growth do not - at least that's what the books say.

But hey, who knows, has the script to the last one been written yet?

	13-10-2004 07:32									#50
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You can't go on the books I suppose. Lucas has pretty much wiped it all aside and redid it himself, warts and all.

And yes the script is written, and the movie has been shot, and it might be mostly done I think. It'll be out next year, I bet they are in post production by now.

	13-10-2004 07:39									#51
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Well, hopefully Lucas won't screw up the whole timeline. I mean, they like 50 books out now. It'd be a shame to screw up everything.

What I would really like to see, and this is what got me hooked on the books, at least the ones with the Empire in them, not those dumb bio-weapon people, is a Thrawn trilogy movie.

Thrawn was the Empire at its greatest. He was the best tactician they ever had, was an alien of all things, and was written by Timothy Zahn, a damn good author. He carried none of that "I am evil and flawed from hate", only the drive for order. I think he was a better nemesis to the New Republic than anyone else and had a better best chance of destroying the Rebellion, more than anyone else, including Palpatine.

	13-10-2004 08:03									#52
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quote: Originally posted by Harry Tuttle What I would really like to see, and this is what got me hooked on the books, at least the ones with the Empire in them, not those dumb bio-weapon people, is a Thrawn trilogy movie.

Good, I thought it was just me that found the Yu-whatever Vong dumb, uninspiring and a damn fine reason to quit reading the books. I tried to hang on for the first few, but they felt an awful lot like that sequel that you have no doubt halfway through will be the absolute last one, simply because it's an interest-killer.

Thrawn was, indeed, the Empire at its finest. I became a Zahn fan with that trilogy, and I don't even read sci-fi, outside the SW books.

	13-10-2004 08:17									#53
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quote: Originally posted by Harry Tuttle Well, hopefully Lucas won't screw up the whole timeline. I mean, they like 50 books out now. It'd be a shame to screw up everything.

As far as Lucus is concerned all story lines from books are expendable. He may take what he likes and can directly contradict at his pleasure A few EU (expanded universe) things have crept into offical movie cannon but on the whole it's not too likely he will pay much attention to the timelines set out in various books or games.

I would say that any future movie series is doubtful. Although there is an expectation of some sort of TV series. Again at the pleasure of Darth Lucus

	13-10-2004 09:59									#54
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Yeah, Lucas doesn't care too much about the books. They aren't canon. They are just people who want to write some fiction about his universe. If he messed them up... too bad.

	13-10-2004 10:22									#55
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I still say Anakin turned to the Dark Side before AotC.

I don't like the idea of the Vong either, not that I would have read those books anyway.

It was nice to be able to say the books and everything all fit together, but it looks like even Star Wars has alternate realities. I know you would all love it if they throw in some time travel to explain it!

	13-10-2004 10:23									#56
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He may have ventured into dark side area and been tempted, but I don't think you can be 'turned' until you've acknowledged that you are going into the Dark Side.

	13-10-2004 10:40									#57
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quote: When it's you whose living it, twenty years feels like a long time. A whole generation grew up knowing nothing but the Empire, so the Republic would be the Old Republic.

yeah, but htey way they talk about it, makes it seems ancient, not jsut like a twenty year ago thing.

	13-10-2004 10:47									#58
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yall do realize you're referring to a movie as 'canon'... yall are aware of that right?

and though i've never seen any of the star wars movies, for some reason from some unknown source, i thought the emperor was a former senator who seized control. i dont know how or why i had that idea i just thought that was how it happened in the movies.

	13-10-2004 10:48									#59
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Um.... yes. It is no less fantasy than the Bible anyway .

	13-10-2004 10:50									#60
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speaking of science fiction and things happening in 'disappearing time'... doesn't star trek have this situation? With Enterprise confusing the whole chronology established in the shows and the movies?