13-10-2004 11:02									#61
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i havent seen the star wars movies but they're a big part of pop culture so to speak so the story and characters and what not has filtered down to me... but i don't really see the appeal of the star wars 'universe'. you got fat ass aliens, teddy bear aliens, and chinese aliens that people made fun of. there was a republic that collapsed and was replaced by an empire which was then defeated by some rag-tag rebels...

do people write so many books about it just to fill it out and make it interesting? i personally think the universe and concept of a show like Andromeda is far more interesting than this star wars. the show may not be that great but it has a great concept.

	13-10-2004 11:08									#62
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quote: Originally posted by Provost Harrison I wonder what is going on in that galaxy now

You don't want to know...
(Oh, I'm sorry. I thought you meant our galaxy.)

	13-10-2004 11:18									#63
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quote: He may have ventured into dark side area and been tempted, but I don't think you can be 'turned' until you've acknowledged that you are going into the Dark Side.

but isn't that only if you want to go all the way dark? You can still be mostly dark, but not entirely evil, and still have turned to the dark side.

	13-10-2004 11:19									#64
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I haven't read the books, so I honestly don't know, but is there any proof of this?

	13-10-2004 13:04									#65
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A lot of people should have read Nineteen-Eighty-Four right?

Was Oceania never at war with Eastasia? Wasn't it always allied with Eurasia? The Empire has always existed in the modern time period, whereas the Old Republic was some backwards civilization from some indefinite time period ago, just like the era before the Revolution.

Even the proles couldn't remember.

	13-10-2004 17:18									#66
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quote: Originally posted by Solomwi Ozzy, I can't believe you, of all people, would deny the Empire the glory and grandeur it so deserves just because it's too young for your tastes.

	13-10-2004 17:19									#67
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quote: Originally posted by Solomwi Good, I thought it was just me that found the Yu-whatever Vong dumb, uninspiring and a damn fine reason to quit reading the books. I tried to hang on for the first few, but they felt an awful lot like that sequel that you have no doubt halfway through will be the absolute last one, simply because it's an interest-killer. Thrawn was, indeed, the Empire at its finest. I became a Zahn fan with that trilogy, and I don't even read sci-fi, outside the SW books.

Yeah, the IMO the NJO books are not part of the Expanded Universe. They're just pure crap.

	13-10-2004 18:42									#68
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quote: Originally posted by bipolarbear yeah, but htey way they talk about it, makes it seems ancient, not jsut like a twenty year ago thing.

Finally. It took 3 pages, but someone finally agreed with me. Whew.

	13-10-2004 19:06									#69
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quote: Originally posted by Solomwi Good, I thought it was just me that found the Yu-whatever Vong dumb, uninspiring and a damn fine reason to quit reading the books. I tried to hang on for the first few, but they felt an awful lot like that sequel that you have no doubt halfway through will be the absolute last one, simply because it's an interest-killer. Thrawn was, indeed, the Empire at its finest. I became a Zahn fan with that trilogy, and I don't even read sci-fi, outside the SW books.

Yeah, I did the same thing. The YuVong guys are lame, the storylines are boring, and they killed Chewie! WTF!

	13-10-2004 19:21									#70
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They killed Chewie?!!



(you bastards!)

	13-10-2004 22:07									#71
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And they killed Anakin

They were really building up his character, and a ton of foreshadowing that he'd be really important, and then he just... dies. Poof. WTF?

	13-10-2004 22:10									#72
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quote: Originally posted by Kuciwalker And they killed Anakin They were really building up his character, and a ton of foreshadowing that he'd be really important, and then he just... dies. Poof. WTF?

They did? That's just crap.

	13-10-2004 22:13									#73
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Yes. I just stared and though: not only is this crap, but they can't even write! And the last book was so frigging anticlimactic that I was just "huh?"

Part of the problem was about 20 different authors with different ideas each writing a segment, so it was a huge inconsistent mess.

	13-10-2004 22:17									#74
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They should have let Chewie die of old age.

	13-10-2004 23:19									#75
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do you know how long a wookie lives?

	13-10-2004 23:30									#76
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After the 900th two-page description of how a Vong disfigures himself to experience the glory of pain and reinforce his connection to his forefathers and the glory of pain that only such glorious pain can bring to one who is pure of gloriously painful heart and the living weapons he gloriously, painfully binds himself to, I knew it would be a struggle to keep up with these.

Oh, and that came in about the third chapter of the first book.

	14-10-2004 00:02									#77
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OzzyKP:

for some reason i was always under the impression that the emperor was a former senator... matter fact i remember why i know this... when i was in 6th grade, there was this girl i liked who was into star wars (it was when the movies were re-done) so the next time there was a book fair, i noticed some star wars books and i bought some sort of movie scrapbook thing to see why she liked it so much.

it was mostly pictures but i learned the plot through that book if i recall correctly and for some reason, the emperor being a senator stuck in my mind. it was just a scrapbook of pictures designed for little kids though but i dont know.

	14-10-2004 00:06									#78
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He was a former senator.

	14-10-2004 00:16									#79
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yeah so from the start it was Lucas' intention to have it be only a few years between the Democracy and the Empire.

	14-10-2004 00:20									#80
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the Democracy?

You mean the Republic.

And it was his intention to have about 20-30 years.

	14-10-2004 00:21									#81
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okay so the point is, OzzyKP was WRONG

and just be glad i didn't say Federation. i typed the F and the e before correcting myself.

	14-10-2004 00:38									#82
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Pfff, you haven't even seen the movies. Go away.

	14-10-2004 00:40									#83
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at least i knew the right answer! aint that doubly bad for you that i know the right answer when i didn't even see any of the movies!

	14-10-2004 00:42									#84
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What right answer? That the emperor was a senator? That wasn't even a question. I think everyone knew that.

	14-10-2004 00:42									#85
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You called it the Democracy. That alone pretty much disqualifies you on any topic Star Wars.

	14-10-2004 00:43									#87
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quote: What right answer? That the emperor was a senator? That wasn't even a question. I think everyone knew that.

you didn't or else you wouldn't have made this thread

	14-10-2004 00:44									#88
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democracy is often used synonymously with republic. if you want to debate the subtle nuances between them, we can do so, but the point is, they're synonyms.

besides, it had to be the Republic of something... the Empire of something... can't just be Republic or Empire.

	14-10-2004 00:47									#89
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Yes it can. It was the Republic. You can have something called a capital-R Republic. You cannot have a capital-D Democracy. Democracy is just a concept; Republic, Empire, Federation, etc. are all actual things.

	14-10-2004 00:50									#90
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quote: Originally posted by Albert Speer you didn't or else you wouldn't have made this thread

I didn't make the thread to discuss the former occupation of the Emporer.

I'm just discussing the length of the Empire. It just doesn't fit.