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OzzyKP
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Rockville, MD
Oct 1999
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I remember long ago reading some book saying that the Empire had been aroud for 80 years. I always assumed that was the real deal, and it made sense.
Now, with these prequel movies that perception is totally out of whack and it seems the Empire was only around for 20 years, or less. With maybe 15 years of transition time between Old Republic to Empire (ep 1-ep3).
So why am I pointing this out? Cause it makes the Empire really insignificant if you ask me, and doesn't match up with the reality as presented in episodes 4-6. One thousand years of a Republic and then an Empire comes in for 20 years. That's not an Empire, that's a hiccup.
The sense in the original series was that some point long ago was this Old Republic, and now for the last few generations there is this evil galactic empire that controls the galaxy and everyone is afraid of them. Up pops these rebels who start a low level insurgency against them.
In reality with a mere 20 year gap, the "rebels" would probably all be former leaders of the "old" republic who disagreed with the new course of Palpatine and have been working against him since the beginning.
Heck, even calling it the "Old Republic" makes it seem far longer ago than it really is. Most people grew up during the "old" republic and surely haven't forgotten of it within 20 years.
The Empire just seems a lot less impressive and a lot less intimidating when you realize it was only a 20 year hiccup after 1,000 years of Republic.
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Drachasor
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Originally posted by Kuciwalker
AFAIK it's always been around for 20 years. |
True, but I must admit he does bring up a good point.
When you think about it, it does feel like a very, very short time period.
Perhaps it should have been at least 50 years or more.
-Drachasor
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Brent
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I believe the Thrawn trilogy said it was longer than 20 years, but I don't think it said as long as 80. And what ever happened to 1000 generations or 25000 years of the old Republic? Are there Hutts still living who remember the time before the Old Republic? Surely the long lived aliens can remember what they have supposedly forgotten about the Old Republic and the Jedi. Did the Dark Side alter their memories like it clouded the minds of the Jedi previously? I don't think 20 years would be that long for Yoda, Jabba, or other long lived aliens. With long lived aliens like Chewie, how could Han and those Imperials be so skeptical?
Lots of people care.
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OzzyKP
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Rockville, MD
Oct 1999
time: 00:21
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Even so, it would be difficult to really get their tendrils in the whole galaxy in a short period of time like that one would think. I imagine there would have been some initial resisance, so the Empire would have to not only assert and project its power all over the galaxy, but fight off/punish rebels the whole time.
Also, another thing that bothers me(not too much cause i'm not a total geek, but...) is spaceship design. According to reports from episode 3, there will be some proto-x-wings and proto-tie fighters revealed. The rebels, one assumed, were using outdated military hardware. The ships all looked beat up and old. So now we know those ships weren't even designed 20 years ago.
Plus military hardware doesn't change designs as quickly as commercial automobiles. Putting aside the fighters, I think it would be incredible for Star Destroyers and Super Star Destroyers to be conceived, designed, built, and massively deployed in a period of less than 20 years. Something that big just doesn't get cobbled together in a few months.
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PLATO
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Of the occupied South
Dec 2002
time: 23:21
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quote:
Originally posted by OzzyKP
Even so, it would be difficult to really get their tendrils in the whole galaxy in a short period of time like that one would think. I imagine there would have been some initial resisance, so the Empire would have to not only assert and project its power all over the galaxy, but fight off/punish rebels the whole time.
Also, another thing that bothers me(not too much cause i'm not a total geek, but...) is spaceship design. According to reports from episode 3, there will be some proto-x-wings and proto-tie fighters revealed. The rebels, one assumed, were using outdated military hardware. The ships all looked beat up and old. So now we know those ships weren't even designed 20 years ago.
Plus military hardware doesn't change designs as quickly as commercial automobiles. Putting aside the fighters, I think it would be incredible for Star Destroyers and Super Star Destroyers to be conceived, designed, built, and massively deployed in a period of less than 20 years. Something that big just doesn't get cobbled together in a few months. |
This would be a valid point if it wasn't for one thing. The republic had no standing military to provide any resistance. WRT spaceship design...The Death Star design probably wasn't the only thing that had been in the works on Geonosis.
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Sprayber
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Dixie
Oct 2000
time: 23:21
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quote:
Originally posted by OzzyKP
Even so, it would be difficult to really get their tendrils in the whole galaxy in a short period of time like that one would think. I imagine there would have been some initial resisance, so the Empire would have to not only assert and project its power all over the galaxy, but fight off/punish rebels the whole time. |
The whole point of the saga (at least in light of the prequals) is that the Empire evolved out of the Republic. There will be no dramatic seizing of power. It was a gradual process of controls getting tighter and tighter do to preceived threats. The threat started with the separatists in AOTC and in ROTS the focus will be shifted to the Jedi being the meanace that Papatine uses to further increase his powers. After the Jedi are purged other entities are targeted. The Senate was only disbanded at the beginning of ANH. Notice that the symbols of the Empire have already shown up in the Republic. The biggest step initially for the Empire will be to extend controls to those areas outside the boundries of the Republic. Something I'm sure that was still taking place 20 years later. We never really see the full extent of the Empire. We are only shown bits and pieces of it in the OT.
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Also, another thing that bothers me(not too much cause i'm not a total geek, but...) is spaceship design. According to reports from episode 3, there will be some proto-x-wings and proto-tie fighters revealed. The rebels, one assumed, were using outdated military hardware. The ships all looked beat up and old. So now we know those ships weren't even designed 20 years ago. |
If you go back to TPM, Darth Maul was flying a craft very similar in design to the tie fighter. In AOTC the predesorers to the Star Destroyers can be seen along with the plans for the death star. If we will see proto-x wings wouldnt that mean that the inital designs were old? And as far as the actual beat up ones you see in OT, that will tend to happen when your resources are limited and your engaged in battle.
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Plus military hardware doesn't change designs as quickly as commercial automobiles. Putting aside the fighters, I think it would be incredible for Star Destroyers and Super Star Destroyers to be conceived, designed, built, and massively deployed in a period of less than 20 years. Something that big just doesn't get cobbled together in a few months. |
The second death star was made opperational in a very short period of time compared to the first. Plus when you have entire star systems dedicated to building ships I'm sure you can be cranking them out pretty fast
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Pax
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Originally posted by OzzyKP
Even so, it would be difficult to really get their tendrils in the whole galaxy in a short period of time like that one would think. I imagine there would have been some initial resisance, so the Empire would have to not only assert and project its power all over the galaxy, but fight off/punish rebels the whole time.
Also, another thing that bothers me(not too much cause i'm not a total geek, but...) is spaceship design. According to reports from episode 3, there will be some proto-x-wings and proto-tie fighters revealed. The rebels, one assumed, were using outdated military hardware. The ships all looked beat up and old. So now we know those ships weren't even designed 20 years ago.
Plus military hardware doesn't change designs as quickly as commercial automobiles. Putting aside the fighters, I think it would be incredible for Star Destroyers and Super Star Destroyers to be conceived, designed, built, and massively deployed in a period of less than 20 years. Something that big just doesn't get cobbled together in a few months. |
1. I believe that Development of the Star Destroyers and etc. had begun during the republic times. As evidence by the blueprint that was uncovered.
2. Anakin is a young man during the prequels. Obi wan is also relatively young. 40 years could have easily passed since the republic. Luke and co. would not have even been born during the republic. I.E. have no recollection. Just as ships/weapons/uniforms/music/language/fashions from WW2, korean, and vietnam wars are outdated, so would the republic be.
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Harry Tuttle
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of the Hoople Heads
Mar 2003
time: 00:21
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In the books, the X-Wing's predecessor was the X-51? Headhunter. It had twin fixed wings, unlike the X-Wings quad retractors, but ideally it was nearly the same in design. The Headhunter was a staple fighter during Han's time on Cornellia and was developed at the time that the predecessors to the modern Imperial Class Star Destroyer, Dreadnoughts, were being developed.
So yeah, I guess you could say the designs for the current fighters could have been developed at the start of the war. Of course, the Rebel Alliance started out getting their materiale piecemeal and got their asses beat to hell by the much more highly trained Imperial forces, so yeah, those X-Wings would be dinged up pretty bad. Hell, the A-Wing was supposedly built inside car garages and shipped one by one.
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David Floyd
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The bottom of a large bottle of beer
Jan 1970
time: 05:21
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So yeah, I guess you could say the designs for the current fighters could have been developed at the start of the war. Of course, the Rebel Alliance started out getting their materiale piecemeal and got their asses beat to hell by the much more highly trained Imperial forces, so yeah, those X-Wings would be dinged up pretty bad. |
Well, remember that the entire Incom design team (the corporation that designed and built the X-Wing) defected to the Rebel Alliance at some point, so X-Wings were being built the Rebels, presumably.
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