14-10-2004 03:55									#1
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Is there anything strategically wrong with constantly running a debt? More specifically, is there anything wrong with constantly having science on 100%, no matter what the circumstances? Sure, you lose out on being able to, say, rush buy things, but besides that, are there any consequences? I'm assuming that one is playing a completely peaceful game, probably on the easier levels of difficulty.

	14-10-2004 04:08									#2
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On any level of play higher than cheiftain, if you run a debt you will have either city improvements sold off to pay for costs or have units automaticlly disbanded because you can't afford the support cost.

	14-10-2004 04:09									#3
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Your not allowed to have a debt. Buildings will be forceablly sold.

As to running a deficit with adequate reserves, there's no problem unless you want a trade deal with the AI trading GPT. If that's the case, you need to decrease science, sign the deal, and then increase the slider back.

Also note you may be wasting a lot of money if your not micromanaging the last few turns with a 100% science policy.

	14-10-2004 09:56									#4
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When I say running a debt I basically mean playing the game with no money at all times and a negative income every turn.

So are buildings and units forceably sold and disbanded in chieftain or not?

	14-10-2004 10:23									#5
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quote: Originally posted by crapple33 When I say running a debt I basically mean playing the game with no money at all times and a negative income every turn. So are buildings and units forceably sold and disbanded in chieftain or not?

You can get away with it at Chiefton only. ie nothing happens when you go into debt.

At every other level .. buildings and units are forceably sold and disbanded.

	14-10-2004 10:44									#6
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In other words, it's cheating.

	14-10-2004 10:47									#7
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It's not cheating ... it's just to make chiefton nice and easy for all the new players.



But it is not a tactic anyone would recommend




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	14-10-2004 11:38									#8
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As I said then, I've never played a game below Regent... it's cheating.

	14-10-2004 22:44									#9
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quote: Originally posted by Trip As I said then, I've never played a game below Regent... it's cheating.

If it's documented and intended, I fail to see how it would be cheating.

	15-10-2004 01:04									#10
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Is there an order of selling, like, will my troops go first, or my improvements?

	15-10-2004 03:57									#11
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As I very seldom run a debt, I do not know this.

	15-10-2004 04:14									#12
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quote: Originally posted by Tattila the Hun Is there an order of selling, like, will my troops go first, or my improvements?

Dont know.

I do remember in a PBEM, I was trading luxuries to another human player via an AI harbor.

5 turns later, the harbor dissappeared and our luxury deal fell over.

We assumed the AI must of run out of cash, and the harbor got disbanded.

	15-10-2004 08:44									#13
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quote: Originally posted by Oncle Boris If it's documented and intended, I fail to see how it would be cheating.

Unfair advantage.

Obviously it's not technically cheating since it's programmed in, but just as if I were playing against another human who allowed it, I wouldn't use it.

	15-10-2004 12:43									#14
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Just some small remarks ...

After banking (5 banks -> Wall Street) you should have at least 1000gp in your treasury, otherwise you lose up to 50gp per turn.

Also, if you have no money, AI civs demanding tribute have to go for techs instead, so the price you have to pay to avoid war could be extremely high.

IMO you should also keep a reserve in case of emergency (rush-buy walls in border cities when war breaks out etc. etc. etc.).

	15-10-2004 19:08									#15
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However, in C3C, you need to have (5) Stock Exhances to have build Wall Street.

And you don't pay the AI nuthin, IMO.

	16-10-2004 02:20									#16
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Depends upon the situation.
If you playing one of the Meso American civs in the Age of Discovery Scenerio and a European civ demands cash, I'd highly recomend saying "Yes, master."

quote: Originally posted by Tattila the Hun However, in C3C, you need to have (5) Stock Exhances to have build Wall Street. And you don't pay the AI nuthin, IMO.

	16-10-2004 08:53									#17
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Keeping science high and treasury low always worked for me. Its a matter of style.