14-10-2004 07:32									#151
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the whole family hugging and shaking hands thing is kind of amusing.

	14-10-2004 07:33									#152
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You KNOW, what they say, "Good Debate, PUNTA".

	14-10-2004 07:34									#153
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Bush 56

Kerry 40

	14-10-2004 07:34									#154
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quote: he just keeps reapeating the same thing over and over, or changing the subject. Luckily Bush is not a good debater either.

Like I said, I'm sure the handlers told Kerry to be a bit more of a wind-up toy and Bush to be a bit less of one. I was surprised that Kerry didn't repeat stuff much in the first debate and not surprised at all that he's doing it more now.

quote: I love the way bush said this is another exaggeration

It was pretty much a direct quote.

quote: I can't believe I'm agreeing with Bush here. Although I still disagree with his methods of improving education.

That's the thing I got most annoyed at at Bush. He made education that answer to just about everything. How is education really a Federal issue? And if it is how the hell can Bush claim credit as an especially-good education President??

quote: "like Tony Soprano explaining to me about Law and Order"

Ya, that was the best line of the night.

	14-10-2004 07:35									#155
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Russert sure has a big nose .

yes I'm a NBC fanatic.

Rudolf Guliani is on

It'd be cool if he was secretary of state

	14-10-2004 07:35									#156
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Hey,
Fox News has Bush winning.

	14-10-2004 07:37									#157
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quote: Originally posted by Berzerker "Idear"? Why don't you just shout MASSACHUSETTS LIBERAL SPEAKING?

OMG! Giuliani just said idear! He must be a MASSACHUSETTS LIBERAL!!!1

	14-10-2004 07:37									#158
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quote: Originally posted by Defiant Hey, Fox News has Bush winning.

	14-10-2004 07:37									#159
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quote: Originally posted by Boshko Like I said, I'm sure the handlers told Kerry to be a bit more of a wind-up toy and Bush to be a bit less of one. I was surprised that Kerry didn't repeat stuff much in the first debate and not surprised at all that he's doing it more now. It was pretty much a direct quote. That's the thing I got most annoyed at at Bush. He made education that answer to just about everything. How is education really a Federal issue? And if it is how the hell can Bush claim credit as an especially-good education President?? Ya, that was the best line of the night.

In theory education can solve many, many social problems in a country. Though it will take time. When a society values education, they become a power house of a nation. Look at Japan in the 18th compared to Japan in the 19th century.

I'm really not sure if bush's no child is left behind act is working. The left is saying it is not. But it's hard to get an objective response to this. You can't go by what the teachers are saying because they are biased towards the democrats.

	14-10-2004 07:39									#160
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quote: You can't go by what the teachers are saying because they are biased towards the democrats.

Perhaps, but they tend to be in the best positions to judge

	14-10-2004 07:40									#161
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Did Kerry frisk him for a wire?

	14-10-2004 07:41									#162
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quote: Originally posted by Berzerker Did Kerry frisk him for a wire?

	14-10-2004 07:46									#163
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quote: OMG! Giuliani just said idear! He must be a MASSACHUSETTS LIBERAL!!!1

Giuliani isn't running... You miss the point, "idear" only re-inforces the perception of Kerry as a liberal. Why? Because he comes from the most liberal part of the country, the part where you'll hear "idear". Btw, Giuliani is only popular because of 9/11, before that he was just another liberal Republican from the NE who was cheating on his wife.

	14-10-2004 07:48									#164
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quote: Originally posted by PLATO Kerry just distorted Bush's words on Social Security BIGTIME.

Bush really dodged the questions there. He wants people to send a chunk of their money into savings accounts but he didn't say how you're going to pay for the benefits of current retirees if you're diverting the money that used to go to them into those acounts.

quote: Did anyone notice the thumb gesture from Kerry? It's just like what Clinton would do when he was making a point.

Yeah that got really annoying.

quote: Actually, Bush answered the faith question very well...

He really nailed that and nailed that hard.

Ooooooh CNN is doing a fact check on Bush's exaggeration on Bin Ladin statement. Looks like that's gunna hurt Bush.

quote: "Stand up straight and don't scowl"

quote: In theory education can solve many, many social problems in a country.

Right but:
1. Education is almost entirely a state and local issue, its disengenuos for a Presdient to make that his answer to everything.
2. If education is such a high priority of his, what the hell has he done besides No Child Left Behind?? Kerry said he cut training programs and Bush didn't respond to that. I'll wait for www.factcheck.org's call on that I guess.

	14-10-2004 07:50									#165
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quote: Originally posted by Boshko Bush really dodged the questions there. He wants people to send a chunk of their money into savings accounts but he didn't say how you're going to pay for the benefits of current retirees if you're diverting the money that used to go to them into those acounts. Yeah that got really annoying. He really nailed that and nailed that hard. Ooooooh CNN is doing a fact check on Bush's exaggeration on Bin Ladin statement. Looks like that's gunna hurt Bush. Right but: 1. Education is almost entirely a state and local issue, its disengenuos for a Presdient to make that his answer to everything. 2. If education is such a high priority of his, what the hell has he done besides No Child Left Behind?? Kerry said he cut training programs and Bush didn't respond to that. I'll wait for www.factcheck.org's call on that I guess.

NBC just aired the clip of the Bin Ladin thing

Bush said he didn't know where he was. And said he wasn't very concerned about it.

	14-10-2004 07:51									#166
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Bush did well. Knocked a lot of questions out of the park. Kerry fumbled a lot of questions where I thought he should have done well.

	14-10-2004 08:02									#167
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Kerry did really poorly and Bush did very well on the religion questions, abortion questions, gay marriage, immigration question, social security, border security, education. Some of this stuff should have been like shooting fish in a barrell for Kerry.

	14-10-2004 08:05									#168
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that's just a problem with the democratic party in general. They just don't have any concrete answers for anything.

And they are stuck with this high taxes/raising taxes stigma. I don't know how they are going to get out of this mess. They are going to have to restructure their platform to be a viable party in the future.

	14-10-2004 08:11									#169
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Education? Democrats should own that issue. I would have thought Kerry could just repeat the stock talking points that the Dems have written up on the issue.

	14-10-2004 08:14									#170
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I think most americans are realizing that throwing money at education and hoping it improves is not always the answer.

Although the citizens in my state haven't realized this.

It looks like my state is going to pass a ammendment to increase our education spending to the national average- whatever that is.

	14-10-2004 08:19									#171
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CNN (or rather Larry King) just reported CNN Flash poll results:

Kerry 52%
Bush 39%

That shocks me, especially what people are saying here.

	14-10-2004 08:21									#172
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NBC had their panel of undecided voters the same as they had last debate. And most of them had made up their minds after this debate (except for one old guy)

It looked like a majority were voting for Bush. Only a couple for Kerry.

The old guy had a good point.

Bush flip/flopped on an issue. He said he won't import drugs from Canada because they aren't proven safe, yet said he would be willing to import the flu vaccine from Canada.

bush is owned by the drug companies. This should be no surprise.

	14-10-2004 08:22									#173
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quote: Originally posted by Dissident NBC just aired the clip of the Bin Ladin thing Bush said he didn't know where he was. And said he wasn't very concerned about it.

Yeah good stuff.

quote: Bush did well. Knocked a lot of questions out of the park. Kerry fumbled a lot of questions where I thought he should have done well.'

Such as? Bush didn't do badly at all, but I don't think he really nailed any aside from the religion question.

quote: Education? Democrats should own that issue. I would have thought Kerry could just repeat the stock talking points that the Dems have written up on the issue.

Yeah, I can't believe that Kerry didn't fight back harder on this issue.

	14-10-2004 08:32									#174
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ahhh well. I was set to vote against both Bush and Kerry. Now I'm not so sure. I'm starting to lean towards Bush again. Jeez. Talk about being a flip-flopper.

There are still a few things that really bother me about Bush. The Iraq war, the deficit, and his religious conservatism (stem cells issue mainly).

	14-10-2004 08:36									#175
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quote: Originally posted by Dissident ahhh well. I was set to vote against both Bush and Kerry. Now I'm not so sure. I'm starting to lean towards Bush again. Jeez. Talk about being a flip-flopper. There are still a few things that really bother me about Bush. The Iraq war, the deficit, and his religious conservatism (stem cells issue mainly).

So you're against the three most defining things of the Bush administration and you're thinking about voting for him

	14-10-2004 08:38									#176
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quote: Originally posted by Pekka Good luck America, what ever happens, you'll need it.

We have survived worse presidents and far worse times. If America doesn't survive the citizens have only themselves to blame...

	14-10-2004 08:38									#177
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui:... CNN Flash poll results: Kerry 52% Bush 39% That shocks me, especially what people are saying here.

I'm not surprised... I listened to the debate on the radio, so could concentrate on the content of the answers as opposed to visual stuff. And with the exception of the last question (about women in their families), the content of Kerry's answers was consistently better than Bush's.

On most questions, Bush dithered until he could think of a talking point to interject. Or perhaps he was marking time until the voice in his earpiece finished giving him the answer.

	14-10-2004 08:54									#178
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui CNN (or rather Larry King) just reported CNN Flash poll results: Kerry 52% Bush 39% That shocks me, especially what people are saying here.

Why?
1. Look at the participants on the thread
2. People here in Poly have consistently underrated Kerry and overrated Bush, at least when compared to the general public- good example is the last debate-same beginning- "Oh, Bush WON, Kerry did poorly"- after a few days, more people said Kerry won than Bush. I think it will be the same today.

	14-10-2004 09:01									#179
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quote: Originally posted by GePap Why? 1. Look at the participants on the thread 2. People here in Poly have consistently underrated Kerry and overrated Bush, at least when compared to the general public- good example is the last debate-same beginning- "Oh, Bush WON, Kerry did poorly"- after a few days, more people said Kerry won than Bush. I think it will be the same today.

and you just watch when bush gets over 270 electoral votes come November (or worst case- December )

	14-10-2004 09:07									#180
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quote: Originally posted by Boshko So you're against the three most defining things of the Bush administration and you're thinking about voting for him

Bush is the better of the two. Plain and simple. Kerry has no clue how to fix this country's problems. All he can do is complain about all the things Bush is doing.

And voting for a third party candidate seems so much like a waste of a vote. But I suppose I'll still stick with third party. It's more of a protest vote. A dissident vote.