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with the ipod, you have to get a third-party utility to prevent autosync from deleting all your music when connecting it to an empty itunes library.

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The auto-sync feature actually makes sense if you think of your computer as the "master" and the iPod as the "slave." Thus, the conents of the iPod is always synced to your computer, but not necessarily the other way around.


But that would kinda make it impossible to actually transfer files from one computer to another, wouldn't it?
Let's say you transfer a few word documents over to the iPod, then you go to your friends house and connects it, which then deletes all mp3s, but he can transfer the word files over

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The iPod doesn't permit you to transfer from the iPod to the computer anyway (which is a stupid limitation as well).

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well, adagio, that's just a great way of assuring that no piracy will ever take place with the ipod...

if you're just going to transfer some word files, though, might as well use a usb keychain/mp3 player or gmail...

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Upcoming versions of Zens and likely other WMA-based players will not require drivers (iPod does require drivers, btw).

MS has standardized the portable device interface, of course Apple wants no part of this...

They will likely become as easy to use as USB keydrives then, but with 20-40-60-80-100GB capacities.

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if you're just going to transfer some word files, though, might as well use a usb keychain/mp3 player or gmail...


It's just very large word files

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Man, there's a lot of false rumours about the iPod here.

You can use it as a portable hard drive.

You don't have to use the auto-sync.

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The wiping-of-the-ipod-when-conected-to-a-computer-with-an-empty-library is no rumor.

This is a problem, especially when the person who has the hundreds of original cds gets a brand-new computer and installs the iTunes and iPod software on it...

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Man, there's a lot of false rumours about the iPod here.

You can use it as a portable hard drive.

This works on non-Mac systems now? Last I heard, it was only possible on Macs (which makes it completely useless).

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You don't have to use the auto-sync.

When you're dealing with massive audio collections (and I'm going to go out on a limb here and assume they are at least 1GB in size ), it's almost a necessity.

Consider my situation: I use my Zen all the time, and I connect it to my laptop and desktop. I want all three to have identical music collections.

Using the iPod's brilliant autosync, if a file is on my iPod but not on my laptop, it'll delete the file off of the iPod.

If I have any additional songs on my iPod that I want on my laptop, it won't transfer them to my laptop.

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The Zen's equalizer/DSP is actually much more powerful than the iPod's. Look at the EAX settings, for one.

I'll admit I don't know much about EAX. Does it make a difference with headphones or does it require a 5.1+ system for full effects.

It has added features, but most of the stuff I wouldn't use (like increase or slowing down the playback speed).

The battery thing is a problem, but it's a trade off. I'm not a tech geek. Design matters for me and the iPod simply looks better and it does what I want it to do and it does it well.


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It says something more about the buyer, since everyone I know who has had a Nomad product hasn't had any problems like that, while I know quite a few people with iPods that went south.


It's a personal thing for me. A couple of years ago, I spent about six months trying to get an interview with Tam, the Creative CEO, for a story. He refused and the PR support was terrible. So the way I see it, if he wasn't willing to help me do my work then I'm not going to give him any of my business.

For the iPod, I went to the repair centre and they offered me a replacement on the spot, but mine's engraved so they'll have to special order it. Will take about two weeks. In the meantime, they lent me a 3rd generation iPod as a loaner.

That's extremely unusual service in HK.

So I'm not happy the iPod went on the blink after just two weeks , but for the customer service.

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Sorry to rain on the iPod v. Creative fight (), but anyone have an answer as to is there a store where I can try out the Zen Touch to see if I like it?

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So I'm not happy the iPod went on the blink after just two weeks , but for the customer service.

how can you fault a company's customer service when they teach you how to do this?

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I'll admit I don't know much about EAX. Does it make a difference with headphones or does it require a 5.1+ system for full effects.

It has added features, but most of the stuff I wouldn't use (like increase or slowing down the playback speed).

EAX on the Zen is just 2-channel, since that's what headphones are. In addition to the basic equalizer stuff we've been used to for ages, it also has the novelty speed up/slow down thing (Nomads have had that since like...2000), things like noise reduction (eliminates "clicking' and the sort you sometimes get in bad rips/old vinyl recordings), make it sound like it's in a stadium/living room/garage/etc).

The DSP in the Zen is far more capable and actually reprogrammable, which is why they can do things. It can cancel echos, add echos, etc.

Of course, what most people use it for is the equalizer. But the novelty things like what I mentioned are just examples of how much more powerful the Zen DSP is.


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It's a personal thing for me. A couple of years ago, I spent about six months trying to get an interview with Tam, the Creative CEO, for a story. He refused and the PR support was terrible. So the way I see it, if he wasn't willing to help me do my work then I'm not going to give him any of my business.

Why don't you spend six months trying to get an interview with Jobs then.

Why would the CEO of a tech company donate their time to an interview with a non-tech journalist?

Creative PR was great. Back when I worked for SidGames, they sent me a free GeForce 2 to review, free of charge. They also had engineers answer my questions for me without complaint.

As for the customer service, read my post about my friend that was in Europe when his iPod arrived, so didn't qualify for the $200 rebate he was entitled too. Customer service were jackasses.

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Why don't you spend six months trying to get an interview with Jobs then.

Why would the CEO of a tech company donate their time to an interview with a non-tech journalist?


I was working for a business mag in Asia with a circulation of 100,000+ and a high income readership profile. Creative is a publically traded Singaporean company and that creates responsibility to keep investors informed.

Companies not only market their products, but also their stocks in the sense of providing relevant information to investors.

American CEOs do this all the time. I did an interview with the CEO of EMC, not from a tech perspective, but from a business perspective.

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So I'm not happy the iPod went on the blink after just two weeks , but for the customer service.

how can you fault a company's customer service when they teach you how to do this?


Ahhh, that's how you pick up a computer!

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EAX on the Zen is just 2-channel, since that's what headphones are. In addition to the basic equalizer stuff we've been used to for ages, it also has the novelty speed up/slow down thing (Nomads have had that since like...2000), things like noise reduction (eliminates "clicking' and the sort you sometimes get in bad rips/old vinyl recordings), make it sound like it's in a stadium/living room/garage/etc).


This could be a big selling point for a lot of people, but me, I don't like the sound created by a lot of these things. I have no desire to hear music as if it was being played a garage.

And I like the cricks and hiss on my LPs. It gives it warmth that you can't get from cold digital musi

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As for the customer service, read my post about my friend that was in Europe when his iPod arrived, so didn't qualify for the $200 rebate he was entitled too. Customer service were jackasses.


He was offered a rebate if he mailed in a form within 30 days. If he was going away then he should have mailed it before he left.

If the bit about 30 days was buried in extremely fine print then that would be a different story, but from what you told us, he's only got himself to blame. Actually I would also ***** at the retailer for not making it crystal clear that the rebate had to be sent in within 30 days.

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This works on non-Mac systems now? Last I heard, it was only possible on Macs (which makes it completely useless).


This could be an old issue. The ipod loaner they gave me is an older model and it doesn't work as a portable HD, but the new model that I had did work.

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Yes, that not getting the rebate forms within 30 days is the friend's fault, not the companies. I know plenty of companies that will not accept rebates that come in late.

Anyway, I guess the silence mean that I can't test out a Zen Touch in a store somewhere out there. That's a shame, because I have gotten to try out an iPod 4G and liked the set up. Like to compare it.

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He was offered a rebate if he mailed in a form within 30 days. If he was going away then he should have mailed it before he left.

If the bit about 30 days was buried in extremely fine print then that would be a different story, but from what you told us, he's only got himself to blame. Actually I would also ***** at the retailer for not making it crystal clear that the rebate had to be sent in within 30 days.

The retailer is Apple.com, and he bought it directly from them and didn't know about the 30-day policy.

He bought it while he was in Germany for the summer as an exchange student, and it was mailed to his house in Seattle for when he came back.

It was then when looking through all of the documentation and receipts they sent him that he discovered the 30-day policy.

He called and begged and pleaded and they wouldn't budge.

Real customer service is bending over backwards to help the customer. That's how you do it. This guy is a recent PC->Mac convert, and he was obsessed and infatuated with Apple (to the point of getting a job at the Apple store), and now he f*cking hates them.

Where I work, if a customer has a serious problem and it's 3am -- not only does someone answer the phone for them, we'll wake up a developer or team of developers to work on it ASAP. That's customer service, and that's how you retain customers.

Retaining customers is something Apple should look into, given their shrinking marketshare.

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Anyway, I guess the silence mean that I can't test out a Zen Touch in a store somewhere out there. That's a shame, because I have gotten to try out an iPod 4G and liked the set up. Like to compare it.

How would we know any stores near you that have demo units out? Come on.

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Honest question: How does one increase the volume on an iPod 4G?

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Imran, you live in Metro Atlanta/Decatur...

I know for a fact that there are plenty of Best Buys and Circuit Cities in the area...

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Best Buys have it? That's ALL I wanted to know!

I went to a Circuit City this weekend, but they didn't have a Zen Touch to try.

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While the song is playing you can circle forward or backwards to increase or decrease the volume.

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While the song is playing you can circle forward or backwards to increase or decrease the volume.

How do you skip to the next track, or start the song over again? How do you pause/stop?

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How do you skip to the next track, or start the song over again? How do you pause/stop?


It's a click wheel... you click on the left for starting the song again (twice, I presume to go back a track), you click the right for skipping to the next track, and click down to pause.

I believe that's right.

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How do you skip to the next track, or start the song over again? How do you pause/stop?


It's a click wheel... you click on the left for starting the song again (twice, I presume to go back a track), you click the right for skipping to the next track, and click down to pause.

I believe that's right.

Then how would you access the menu?

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The Menu is on top of the click wheel... if you click it it goes back to the immediate menu and clicking it again goes to a higher menu, all the way to the top.

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The Menu is on top of the click wheel... if you click it it goes back to the immediate menu and clicking it again goes to a higher menu, all the way to the top.

So where's the play button?

Top --> Menu
Left --> Back
Right --> Forward
Down --> Stop

??? --> Play

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It's a wheel, so there is a button in the middle. That's your 'Ok' and your 'Play'.

Oh, and the down is Pause. There really isn't a Stop, per se. So you can hit the Pause again to start it playing again.

 
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