17-10-2004 00:43									#1
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Here the price of oil is $53/bbl and the price of gas is about $2/gallon (I would be interested in hearing how much it costs in your neck of the woods). In the past, this would be the death knell for a president's popularity. But this year, it's hardly mentioned in a very close presidential campaign.

What's changed in the US body politic? Has it been that Kerry just hasn't brought up the issue because of one reason or the other? Or it might be that $2/gallon isn't quite as expensive as it used to be (because of inflation and higher wages)? Or perhaps it's that people believe that a president doesn't have much impact on the price of gasoline?

	17-10-2004 00:53									#2
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Good question, not really sure of the answer though.

Gas is approx. 2.50-3.50 a gallon (US) in eastern Ontario. It can be around 3.50 - 4.00 a gallon in the Maritimes. Gas prices are still comparatively cheap in the US, although I remember getting .89 cents/gallon in the Boston about 5 years back. Those were the days.

	17-10-2004 00:54									#3
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In the range of 1.88/gallon here in TX.

	17-10-2004 00:56									#4
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Here it's been hovering around $1.75, give or take ten cents, for the past few years. Now it's up to $2.00, but that's only a quarter difference (nevermind that it's a dollar difference from a decade ago), so nobody does more than moan a bit -- it's like when they raised the price of stamps from 34 cents to 37 cents nobody gave a damn, but if they'd raised it from 25 cents to 37 cents then there'd've been be blood in the street.

	17-10-2004 01:08									#5
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Around 80p per litre here though I haven't looked lately. I'll let you do the conversions .

	17-10-2004 01:09									#6
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It's likely that it's not expensive, seemingly. Our corporation was concerned that rising fuel costs would make our labor expenses increase, but we've found that not to be the case.

Go figure.

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It's not expensive enough whatever the cost, even here where it's an order of magnitude more expensive than the US or other parts of Europe. My reasons? I dont drive, so I want to save the world.

	17-10-2004 01:22									#8
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I have a conspiracy theory that some oil producers are trying to leverage the price of oil to defeat GWB. It's hugely not in the mainline producers' interests to have oil at $53/bbl, so why is it that price? Thing is, it doesn't seem to be having any impact on the race.

Look to see the price of oil plummet come November...

	17-10-2004 01:33									#9
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In terms of real dollar prices gas has never been more expensive then know. At least not that I can remember. I think it briefly got to the $2.50-$3 in 1991 but that was only for a week or two then Bush Sr. opened up the SPR and prices fell.

In absolute terms the price was higher in the early 1980's and during both of the Arab oil embargos. Of course the really big problem is that no new refineries have been built in the US since the mid 1970's. The enviromental laws prevent new refinaries from being built and that's part of the reason I must now pay $2.70 per gallon in Southern California.

	17-10-2004 01:36									#10
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quote: Originally posted by JimmyCracksCorn Good question, not really sure of the answer though. Gas is approx. 2.50-3.50 a gallon (US) in eastern Ontario. It can be around 3.50 - 4.00 a gallon in the Maritimes. Gas prices are still comparatively cheap in the US, although I remember getting .89 cents/gallon in the Boston about 5 years back. Those were the days.

I can remember gas in California falling to $0.59 per gallon around 1993. It didn't last long but it was good while it lasted.

	17-10-2004 01:49									#11
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quote: Originally posted by Whaleboy Around 80p per litre here though I haven't looked lately. I'll let you do the conversions .

Thats around $5.75/gallon. Holy Christ!

	17-10-2004 02:05									#12
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About $4.60 of that is duty.

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quote: Originally posted by JimmyCracksCorn Thats around $5.75/gallon. Holy Christ!

Our cars waste far less fuel than American types. At least there's an incentive here for car companies to look for cleaner combustion of gas and whatever happens in the process.

	17-10-2004 02:41									#14
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quote: In terms of real dollar prices gas has never been more expensive then know. At least not that I can remember. I think it briefly got to the $2.50-$3 in 1991 but that was only for a week or two then Bush Sr. opened up the SPR and prices fell.

I think you mean that real prices have been higher in the past but that absolute prices are the highest ever.

	17-10-2004 03:49									#15
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this is what I'm pissed about.

The Iraq war was about oil. Yet we have less now than ever.

I'm perfectly willing to sacrifice thousands of lives to get my gas prices down to about $1.00 a gallon. but that hasn't happen. We are paying $2.30 where I live.

	17-10-2004 03:50									#16
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What's the average fuel economy in Europe?

	17-10-2004 03:59									#17
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$1.87 here.


Back in the day I can remember *****ing about payin .87

	17-10-2004 04:03									#18
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during the Clinton years back east in Virginia I actually payed 96cents a gallon for a while. That wasn't that long ago.

What the hell happened?

oh yeah, Bush.

	17-10-2004 04:27									#19
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quote: Originally posted by Trajanus Our cars waste far less fuel than American types. At least there's an incentive here for car companies to look for cleaner combustion of gas and whatever happens in the process.

True, and you go shorter distances. But in any case, a road trip across Europe by car would have to cost a fortune.

	17-10-2004 04:30									#20
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quote: Originally posted by Trajanus Our cars waste far less fuel than American types. At least there's an incentive here for car companies to look for cleaner combustion of gas and whatever happens in the process.

Not to mention the fact Europeans have no where near as far to travel as many Americans.

	17-10-2004 04:39									#21
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quote: Originally posted by DanS What's changed in the US body politic?

The big media companies want to merge and become even more efficient from the perspective of profit-revenue ratio and even less efficient from the perspective of responsiveness, change, and maximal theoretical revenue. The Democrats are slightly less likely to let them do that.

	17-10-2004 04:39									#22
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Cheapest gas I've seen in Los Angeles which is few blocks away from where I live, fortunately, is 2.29

2.50 seems to be the average although.

	17-10-2004 04:50									#23
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In Croatia, gas is about 1.10 US $ per litre, most of it taxes, like in the rest of Europe. This is with the average monthly paycheck being 575 Euros. And people still drive.

	17-10-2004 04:52									#24
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Just around $2.00 here.

	17-10-2004 04:59									#25
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Likely there's a difference between Croatia and the US. In the US, most poor people drive cars, while in Croatia most poor people probably take public transportation. Because of this, Croatian politicians might feel that it is OK to tax those who can afford cars in the first place, while in the US such taxes would be a real hardship.

	17-10-2004 05:00									#26
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It's around $0.75-$0.80 CAD in my parts these days.

	17-10-2004 05:00									#27
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Per litre?

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	17-10-2004 05:10									#29
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quote: Originally posted by DanS Per litre?

the world would be an easier place if everyone just used the English/Standard system of measurements