17-10-2004 05:18									#31
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1.40 USD per litre, which is 40% higher than 2 years ago IIRC.

	17-10-2004 05:29									#32
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quote: Originally posted by DanS Likely there's a difference between Croatia and the US. In the US, most poor people drive cars, while in Croatia most poor people probably take public transportation.

There are 3,4 people per one car here. Even poor people drive cars, shitty though they might be (Yugo and such)

quote: Because of this, Croatian politicians might feel that it is OK to tax those who can afford cars in the first place, while in the US such taxes would be a real hardship.

I don't think it would be such hardship in US given your comparatively larger incomes. But I can't tell.

The reason why we have these prices is:

- most of Europe has similarily high prices, so we can't really complain that we are the only ones being ripped off

- it has always been like that. Whenever a government needs money, there are only two things that always work: increase taxes on cigarettes, and cars/gas.

	17-10-2004 05:31									#33
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quote: Originally posted by Gangerolf 1.40 USD per litre, which is 40% higher than 2 years ago IIRC.

Prices are traditionaly high in northern countries, but how do they explain that price in Norway?? I mean you don't even have to import the stuff for God's sake!

	17-10-2004 05:48									#34
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Taxes and taxes on top of taxes. Not just on fuel but on cars too. All for the sake of the environment, of course.
But how good is it for mother nature that people can't afford to buy new and environmentally friendly cars?

	17-10-2004 06:02									#35
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1.99 in Indy, briefly was up to 2.07 a few days ago...

	17-10-2004 06:53									#36
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quote: There are 3,4 people per one car here

The US has more cars than drivers.

	17-10-2004 07:20									#37
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$1.95 here.

	17-10-2004 07:25									#38
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Oil companies reap windfall profits when oil prices are high. So Bush's cronies and contributors are very happy with the present situation. Interesting, isn't it?

	17-10-2004 07:27									#39
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Believe it or not, Germans own more cars per capita than do Americans. I'm sure we drive ours a whole lot more, though.

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quote: Oil companies reap windfall profits when oil prices are high. So Bush's cronies and contributors are very happy with the present situation. Interesting, isn't it?

Yeh, but Kerry hasn't even really raised the issue. Why not? Do you think he knows that this is not a big issue for many people and that political posturing like you are doing would be ineffective?

	17-10-2004 07:37									#41
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Kerry can't do anything about it if he's elected, so maybe that's why he isn't bringing it up.

Although not being able to do anything about problems hasn't stopped politicians in the past from critisizing them

	17-10-2004 08:06									#42
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quote: Originally posted by Dissident Kerry can't do anything about it if he's elected, so maybe that's why he isn't bringing it up.

Very likely true, that.

quote: Although not being able to do anything about problems hasn't stopped politicians in the past from critisizing them

But people will remember this one - that's the difference. If Kerry were to say "If I become President, I will decrease the price of a gallon of gasoline by $1.00", it would be as famous as "Read my lips: No. New. Taxes."

	17-10-2004 08:08									#43
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Much more famous.

	17-10-2004 08:13									#44
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Also, I think that there is a "silent majority" of Americans who, deep down, think that it would likely be good for the country if the price of gas went up, as to stimulate conservation and efficiency movements. That's really my rationale for not thinking the recent hike as no big thing.

	17-10-2004 08:15									#45
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quote: Originally posted by JohnT Also, I think that there is a "silent majority" of Americans who, deep down, think that it would likely be good for the country if the price of gas went up, as to stimulate conservation and efficiency movements. That's really my rationale for not thinking the recent hike as no big thing.

I'm sorta one of those people

But I'm a realist. I see that no matter how high gas prices seem to be going, no one conserves any more now than they did before. All it really is, is money down the tube. Money I'll never see again. I'm thinking about riding a bicycle to work.

	17-10-2004 08:51									#46
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quote: Also, I think that there is a "silent majority" of Americans who, deep down, think that it would likely be good for the country if the price of gas went up, as to stimulate conservation and efficiency movements. That's really my rationale for not thinking the recent hike as no big thing.

I think a vocal supermajority will utterly destroy your theory when you present it to a wider audience than Apolyton.

	17-10-2004 09:57									#47
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I think the lack of any real crises atmosphere, especially given how this country reacted when the same thing happened in the 1970's, indicates that something has changed in our attitude towards rising gas prices. Despite Bush's claims to the contrary, most Americans now realize that it isn't a God Given Right to tool around on $1/gallon (or less) gas, and that doing so might even have deletrious consequences.

Anyway, the price of gas has risen by almost 50% for most Americans since 9/11. Where is this vocal supermajority of which you speak?

	17-10-2004 10:10									#48
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Napa at ARCO today, 2.339 a galleon for 87 oct. The Shell next door was 2.459 for 87 oct. San Francisco would be higher.

All of the oil Ref., are less than 25 miles from here. They the Co. like to stick it to us, because we live in the Bay Area.

	17-10-2004 11:29									#49
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quote: Originally posted by Trajanus Our cars waste far less fuel than American types. At least there's an incentive here for car companies to look for cleaner combustion of gas and whatever happens in the process.

Cleaner? I seriously doubt that especially since we here in California have the world's most Nazi-esq clean air laws. If you mean efficiency then, yes, taxing the hell out of larger engines & gasoline will force people to buy smaller girlie cars.

	17-10-2004 11:41									#50
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quote: Originally posted by St Leo

What the hell does this "< hr / >" stuff mean?

	17-10-2004 12:04									#51
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quote: Originally posted by VetLegion There are 3,4 people per one car here. Even poor people drive cars, shitty though they might be (Yugo and such)

Yeah, when I was in the former Yugoslavia (Macedonia & Kosovo) everyone but the poorest of poor had cars. Though those cars might be Yugos, 60's & 70's Skodas, Russian Ladas, or the odd East German Trabant.

	17-10-2004 14:23									#52
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1.14 per litre =>

4.315€ per Gallon

5.146$ per gallon ( I think, not that good with conversions)

Expensive car fuel

	17-10-2004 14:54									#53
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quote: Originally posted by Dissident the world would be an easier place if everyone just used the English/Standard system of measurements

In the Uk we buy petrol in lires and beer in pints

	17-10-2004 14:57									#54
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Dammit, if you were gonna change currency, you might aswell have changed to Euro's instead of that fake Italian crap.

	17-10-2004 15:00									#55
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THATS why petrol seems so expensive

	17-10-2004 15:05									#56
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quote: Originally posted by alva Dammit, if you were gonna change currency, you might aswell have changed to Euro's instead of that fake Italian crap.

The pound sign is the Lira sign. £ is an L with a a bar or two.

	17-10-2004 15:33									#57
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That be the same bars where you get the beer?

	17-10-2004 17:44									#58
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Gas prices are up to 1,20 €/liter in Germany. It was around 1,00 €/liter only one year ago...

	17-10-2004 17:49									#59
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I think after the initial sticker shock, we just acclimatized to the new prices, especially after they fell twenty cents a gallon later on. Plus there's just so much more to worry about. Still, I wouldn't want to be an SUV owner right now.

	17-10-2004 18:39									#60
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People probably are just resigned to the situation. Under a dollar per gallon wasn't that too long time ago, about 6 years ago IIRC. Ever since, gas prices has been gaining steadily. I remember I used to whine about gas being at around 1.30. Now I miss those days.