01-11-2004 09:00									#181
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quote: against the crappiest team in the NFL. Although the Cardinals are pretty close to that title.

5 TDs is still 5 TDs, no matter how you slice it.

	01-11-2004 09:02									#182
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pchang: Well some of those other teams had QBs, like Jacksonville (Leftwich will be a great QB as well), Houston (ditto for Carr), Atlanta (Vick will be great), etc.

quote: against the crappiest team in the NFL.

I'd actually give it to Miami, but Oakland is damned close to rock bottom.

	01-11-2004 09:04									#183
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui pchang: Well some of those other teams had QBs, like Jacksonville (Leftwich will be a great QB as well), Houston (ditto for Carr), Atlanta (Vick will be great), etc. quote: against the crappiest team in the NFL. I'd actually give it to Miami, but Oakland is damned close to rock bottom.

Miami beat the Rams. Let's see Oakland do that.

	01-11-2004 09:04									#184
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quote: Originally posted by Ben Kenobi 5 TDs is still 5 TDs, no matter how you slice it.

And going to the playoffs is going to the playoffs, no matter how you slice it . Vick has been there, Brees hasn't.

	01-11-2004 09:05									#185
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quote: Originally posted by Dissident Miami beat the Rams. Let's see Oakland do that.

But Miami lost to the Bills, who got beat by the Raiders. The Rams always have a let down game or two under Martz.

	01-11-2004 09:07									#186
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui And going to the playoffs is going to the playoffs, no matter how you slice it . Vick has been there, Brees hasn't.

you could argue the rest of the team sucks. But they do have Tomlinson. You could argue they don't have good recievers, yet neither does Atlanta. Maybe it's the defense.

	01-11-2004 09:08									#187
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	01-11-2004 09:10									#188
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quote: you could argue the rest of the team sucks. But they do have Tomlinson. You could argue they don't have good recievers, yet neither does Atlanta. Maybe it's the defense.

Back in 2002, Vick drove that team by himself. They had a decent rushing attack, but a lot of that was Vick. Dunn had close to 1000 yards and Duckett at 500, but Vick had over 750 yards rushing himself. He also had almost 3000 yards passing.

The recievers were crap, the offensive line was crap, and the defense was simply above average.

Vick also went to Lambaugh was beat the Pack on their own turf. This was one case of one person being the team.

	01-11-2004 09:13									#189
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Vick just doesn't excite me as a QB.

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	01-11-2004 09:18									#190
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Then your heart must have stopped ticking years back .

	01-11-2004 09:19									#191
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stupid anouncers! how can they not see the ball hit the ground! I see it plain as day!

	01-11-2004 09:21									#192
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I've never been much of a fan of running QB's. Show me one who's won a superbowl

actually there probably has been one or a few, I just can't think of any right now.

Brady: No
Johnson: hell no
Brady: No again
Dilfer: mm no
Warner: no
Elway: no
Aikman: no
Young: no

okay my memory is starting to fade a bit here. but you get the picture

	01-11-2004 09:21									#193
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui Then your heart must have stopped ticking years back .

I love seeing his acrobatic plays. But can those plays win him a superbowl. That is the most important aspect to consider.

	01-11-2004 09:23									#194
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Um, Young was a running QB. He is what Vick could be.

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	01-11-2004 09:24									#195
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How are ELWAY and YOUNG not running QBs? Don't give me those they passed first... Vick has much more attempts than rushing plays. Young ran just as much as Vick does now when he started with the Niners.

Montana also ran a lot during the 80s. I think he still holds the record for rushing yards for a QB in the Superbowl (like 55 yards or something).

	01-11-2004 09:24									#196
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quote: Originally posted by Tuberski Um, Young was a running QB. He is what Vick could be. ACK!

he was a scrambling QB, not a running QB. There's a difference.

	01-11-2004 09:24									#197
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui Then your heart must have stopped ticking years back .

I've never seen him play, only highlights.

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	01-11-2004 09:27									#198
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quote: Originally posted by Dissident he was a scrambling QB, not a running QB. There's a difference.

The only differnce is that there are plays where Vick is supposed to run.

Young would take off on his own.

I know, I watched him thorugh college, USFL, and NFL.

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	01-11-2004 09:31									#199
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quote: he was a scrambling QB, not a running QB. There's a difference.

Not really. As Tubs said, the only difference is that there are like 5 plays a game where Vick is supposed to run.

	01-11-2004 09:33									#200
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I mean look at the stats. In Vick's first year as a starter, he ran 112 times. In Young's 8th year (1992), he ran 76 times. Some of the difference is the few called runs, but most of it is that Young's recievers would actually get open!

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YES!!! Sweet! 71 yard RETURN!

	01-11-2004 09:37									#202
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As I've said. If Atlanta makes the NFC championship game, then I'll admit I was wrong .

I still believe efficient passing is the way to win it all.

I believe to truelly be great, a QB has to learn how to pass.

I used to hate Donavan McNabb for the same reason. But he has learned to pass now. And he's developed into a great QB.

	01-11-2004 09:37									#203
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Man these teams stink!

Glad I don't have to watch the Bears or 49'ers every week.

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	01-11-2004 09:39									#204
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quote: And going to the playoffs is going to the playoffs, no matter how you slice it . Vick has been there, Brees hasn't.

Vick has a D. Brees hasn't.

	01-11-2004 09:41									#205
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the anouncers are wrong again!

worthless. although this time was closer. the last time I could see the ball hit the ground. These damn senior citizen anouncers couldn't see it.

	01-11-2004 09:41									#206
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quote: Originally posted by Ben Kenobi Vick has a D. Brees hasn't.

You mean that D. that KC torched for 56 last week? Their D is overrated too.

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	01-11-2004 09:41									#207
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quote: Originally posted by Tuberski Man these teams stink! Glad I don't have to watch the Bears or 49'ers every week. ACK!

Hey, we take what we can get.

	01-11-2004 09:43									#208
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quote: You mean that D. that KC torched for 56 last week? Their D is overrated too.

You were doing just fine talking about the Atlanta team in years past.

Why switch now?

	01-11-2004 09:44									#209
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quote: I used to hate Donavan McNabb for the same reason. But he has learned to pass now. And he's developed into a great QB.

And how long has McNabb been in the league?

quote: Vick has a D. Brees hasn't.

You mean the same D that was DEAD LAST in the league last year? Before this week, Atlanta was 24th in the league in Points Allowed. San Diego? 23rd. In yards allowed? Atlanta is 23rd and SD is 26th... not that much of a difference.

That D was sure great last week in KC!

The D has been overrated so far in Atlanta. And the D for San Diego hasn't been that bad at all in the last few years. It's the offense.

	01-11-2004 09:45									#210
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quote: Originally posted by Ben Kenobi You were doing just fine talking about the Atlanta team in years past. Why switch now?

That was baseball, not football.

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