08-11-2004 07:06									#241
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GMs are not allowed to sleep.

	08-11-2004 07:28									#242
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Or work until the next turn is up.

	08-11-2004 08:08									#244
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Take all the time you need, Ljube. These insensitive clods know nothing

	08-11-2004 08:10									#245
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He can't hear you. He's napping.

	08-11-2004 13:33									#246
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Resistance is futile (but you'll last a few turns whether you resist or not) isn't quite as catchy.

	09-11-2004 00:47									#247
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Turn 7 - Theben's math: Give 2 ships, get 2 bases


This turn began with another sneak attack by GeoModder of the Trabe. He hoped he could surprise Captain Kassiopeia Janeway once more. But Kassiopeia can only be tricked once. GeoModder’s stormtroopers found the bases deserted and quickly occupied them. Captain Janeway evaded her enemies once more. Hail to her superior intuition


*******


And where was Kassiopeia Janeway’s fleet? On an allied mission against the most powerful magnate of the delta quadrant, Kazon Pommar First Maje Minnis Theben. I bet he didn’t see this coming as his orders this turn seemed to cover every possibility except this one.


Battle No.1: Skanky Burns and Kassiopeia attack Theben
Skanky Burns: 12LD, 3FD, 11TD, 2LF, OoB: TTF-FLL, back off
Kassiopeia: 6LB, 5FB, 6TB, OoB: TTF-FLL, back off
Allied total: 12LD, 3FD, 11TD, 6LB, 5FB, 6TB, 2LF, OoB: TTF-FLL, back off
Theben: 3LB, OoB: LLT-TFF, close in, bunch together


Needless to say, Theben’s defensive fleet is overwhelmed and his 11 (!!) bases are captured by the allies. Skanky Burns gets the odd base because he sent his orders first.

The allies were somewhat disappointed their loyal ally joncha failed to show and they wondered why that was the case. They learned later that Species 8472 had infected joncha’s main command computers with some kind of advanced virus which destroyed all subroutines and left Kazon Nistrim fleet stranded for 33 hours until their engineers reinstalled the entire system. This delay would prove fatal.


*******


Indeed, for the most unlikely alliance was formed this turn. Leader of the Species 8472, Smiley understood the only way his species could avoid extinction was to ally with his former adversary (!!!) Theben (!!!!). Their target was Kazon Nistrim sect and they made sure their target stayed home using Smiley’s advanced viruses (it seems viruses are all that is left to him). Still, they were in for a fight.

Curiously joncha didn’t repair his damaged ship (?)


Battle No.2: Theben and Smiley attack joncha
Theben: 5LT, 4FT, 5TT, 4FD, 7LB, 4TB, 1LC, 1FC, OoB: FFT-TLL, close in, normal, fight to the death
Smiley: 1FF, 1TF, OoB: FFT-TLL, close in, normal, fight to the death
Allied total: 5LT, 4FT, 5TT, 4FD, 7LB, 4TB, 1LC, 1FC, 1FF, 1TF, OoB: FFT-TLL, close in, normal, fight to the death
Joncha: 7LD, 7FD, 6[2]TD, 1FB, OoB: TTF-FLL, back off, normal


78F – 28T – joncha takes 50 hits
78F – 28T – joncha takes 50 hits
39T – 56F – allies take 17 hits

Joncha loses all torpedo ships and almost all carrier ships. Smiley loses his carrier frigate and Theben loses his carrier cruiser and one carrier dreadnaught and his other carrier dreadnaught is damaged. The battle continues to the death.

39T – 8F – joncha takes 31 hits
48L – 28L – joncha takes 20 hits
48L – 28L – joncha takes 20 hits

Joncha suffers incredible amount of damage and the rest of his fleet is unable to withstand the ensuing round of combat.

Joncha is eliminated.


According to the agreement between the allies, the bases are allocated in this manner:

Smiley gets 2 bases
Theben gets 1 base.

code:




 
Player Name
 
Bases
 
BPs
 
Tonnage
 
Frigates(1)
 
Cruisers(2)
 
Battleships(3)
 
Dreadnaughts(4)
 
Titans(5)
 



 
Las
 
Fig
 
Torp
 
Las
 
Fig
 
Torp
 
Las
 
Fig
 
Torp
 
Las
 
Fig
 
Torp
 
Las
 
Fig
 
Torp
 



 Smiley
 
(4)
 
12
 
-/-/1
 
-
 
-
 
1
 
-
 
-
 
-
 
-
 
-
 
-
 
-
 
-
 
-
 
-
 
-
 
-
 



DrSpike
 
5
 
35
 
17/27/50
 
-
 
-
 
-
 
1
 
-
 
-
 
5
 
5
 
2
 
-
 
3
 
11
 
-
 
-
 
-
 



GeoModder
 
5(8)
 
42
 
44/50/44
 
-
 
-
 
-
 
-
 
3
 
-
 
4
 
4
 
2
 
3
 
3
 
2
 
4
 
4
 
6
 



Jamski
 
(2)
 
16
 
9/-/-
 
-
 
-
 
-
 
-
 
-
 
-
 
3
 
-
 
-
 
-
 
-
 
-
 
-
 
-
 
-
 



Kassiopeia
 
(5)
 
22
 
18/15/15
 
-
 
-
 
-
 
-
 
-
 
-
 
6
 
5
 
5
 
-
 
-
 
-
 
-
 
-
 
-
 



Skanky Burns
 
4(12)
 
44
 
50/12/52
 
2
 
-
 
2
 
-
 
-
 
-
 
-
 
-
 
2
 
12
 
3
 
11
 
-
 
-
 
-
 



Spaced Cowboy
 
1(4)
 
14
 
8/8/4
 
-
 
-
 
-
 
-
 
-
 
-
 
-
 
-
 
-
 
2
 
2
 
1
 
-
 
-
 
-
 



Theben
 
(1)
 
25
 
48/28[5]/37
 
-
 
-
 
-
 
1
 
-
 
-
 
7
 
-
 
4
 
-
 
2[5]
 
-
 
5
 
4
 
5
 

Last edited by Ljube on 09-11-2004 at 00:55

	09-11-2004 01:08									#249
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Teh rules!

	09-11-2004 01:18									#250
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Truly, this is a day of both sadness and joy for the Grandest Alliance.

	09-11-2004 01:42									#251
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We're cool with being called second as long as this GA keeps losing members.

	09-11-2004 03:31									#252
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I was prepared for this possibility. With joncha destroyed, it was worth it.

	09-11-2004 03:40									#253
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A game without builders is indeed an exciting one.

	09-11-2004 05:00									#254
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Come see the violence inherent in the system!!

Orders in.

	09-11-2004 05:48									#255
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btw, how does one determine which ships are damaged/destroyed in a given segment of combat?

	09-11-2004 07:03									#256
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Well, it's supposed to take all the frigates first, then all the the cruisers, then the battleships, etc, with the ones first in the OOB being elimianted first; I don't know how Ljube's doing it.

	09-11-2004 08:34									#257
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Assuming we have a little more time to get the orders in again?

	09-11-2004 09:00									#258
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quote: Originally posted by Theben I was prepared for this possibility. With joncha destroyed, it was worth it.

	09-11-2004 09:03									#259
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* Sparrowhawk offers Whoha, GeneralTacticus and Joncha an alliance.

	09-11-2004 09:05									#260
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Hmmm... I have the spellbooks... now if one of you three has enough mana, we can create a fleet of undead ships and soldiers and take our revenge

	09-11-2004 09:48									#261
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quote: Originally posted by joncha

Now weren't you trying to kill me?

@ sparrowhawk

	09-11-2004 12:07									#262
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quote: Originally posted by GeneralTacticus Well, it's supposed to take all the frigates first, then all the the cruisers, then the battleships, etc, with the ones first in the OOB being elimianted first; I don't know how Ljube's doing it.

Suppose your OoB was TTLLFF. Then it's all torpedoes first, strating with smaller ships (i.e. frigates) finishing with titans, then moving to laser frigates and so on.

	09-11-2004 12:14									#263
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quote: Originally posted by Ljube-ljcvetko Suppose your OoB was TTLLFF. Then it's all torpedoes first, strating with smaller ships (i.e. frigates) finishing with titans, then moving to laser frigates and so on.

That's the way it was originally; I believe I submitted a proposal during a previous game that it be changed to the method I described, which was approved. I'll see if I can dig up the thread.

	09-11-2004 12:35									#264
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I don't remember this vote, but there is no harm to repeat it here. Everybody, let's fix this issue once and for all.


How destroyed ships should be removed?

A) All ships of one type first, before moving to the next type, in the same order as the order of battle. Start removing frigates first, titans last.
B) All frigates first, before moving to larger ships. Among the ships of the same size, remove them in the same order as the order of battle.

	09-11-2004 12:37									#265
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B.

	09-11-2004 12:45									#266
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Hmm... no strong convictions either way, but I'll vote A 'cuz it favours the smaller partner in an allied attack.

	09-11-2004 13:54									#267
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They don't seem that much different in practice. I'll second Joncha's choice, A.

	09-11-2004 13:55									#268
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Btw I think Ljube should complete the game the way he started regardless of the vote.

	09-11-2004 15:49									#269
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B, but complete this game with A.

	09-11-2004 16:23									#270
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Well, the difference between A and B is very small with one important exception: If the attacking fleet is similar in strength to the defending fleet. In that case the order of battle comes to play. With A you can score more hits if you have an order of battle like XXY-YZZ, while with B it would be better to have the order of battle like XYZ-XYZ.

My vote is with A. I think it offers more flexibility and what is perhaps even more important rapid transformation of the composition of the fleet.