29-10-2004 01:20									#301
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quote: Originally posted by The Emperor Fabulous I called you for what you were. You couldn't get over your elitist attitude. Four others pointed it out, wasn't just me. We all got pissed at you trying to urinate on our parade. And I know plenty about the Yankees. I know all about Mantle and Gerhig and DiMaggio and The House Ruth Built and the Bronx Bombers and all that.

I begun by congratulating the Red Soxs- it was you who instead of saying "thanks", decided to make the issue of pissing on the Yankees.

quote: And I stand by my claim that they will be most remembered team in Baseball. Just like the 1980 Hockey Team, Knute Rockney's Fighting Irish, and yes, the Yankees dynasty (not specific team, but dynasty) of the 50s. I give due were due is owed - Which is why the 2004 Red Sox will be the most remembered single team in history. Its just a fact.

You say I am arrogant, and then you say this?

	29-10-2004 01:20									#302
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quote: Originally posted by Arrian For now, anyway. Some future Cubs team might eventually claim that title. But for the foreseable future, the '04 Sox are it. -Arrian

'69 Mets. No dynasty there, but still the most incredible story. Out of nowhere, completely out of nowhere.

	29-10-2004 01:27									#303
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For Mets fans, anyway.

There is something more universal about this one, I think. The storyline goes beyond what the '69 Mets did. The Sox beat the Yankees (who everyone but we Yankees fans hate) and then won the WS for the first time in 86 years. After all the buildup about "the Curse" ( ) and what happened last year (Aaron bleepin' Boone) and the way it happened (down 0-3, trailing in the 9th inning of game 4 and again in the 8th inning of game 5, to come roaring back and win it all)... I think Emp Fab has a point.

-Arrian

	29-10-2004 01:34									#304
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quote: Originally posted by Arrian For now, anyway. Some future Cubs team might eventually claim that title. But for the foreseable future, the '04 Sox are it. -Arrian

The White Soxs have had as long a drought as the Red Soxs. , and obviously theSox have had a longer one- as Apocalypse showed, the Astros have never done it, and the Indians have been without a championship for almost 50 years, while the Cubs top all.

So any of these team winning will be an accomplishment- obviously a Chicago team winning will be as big if not bigger.

	29-10-2004 01:36									#305
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I don't think the White Sox fan base is nearly as into it as the Red Sox fan base. Further, I think the whole Black Sox scandal puts a damper on people's sympathy for that franchise.

The Cubs, followed by the Indians, I'd say. For sympathy factor. Then maybe the Astros, then the White Sox.

-Arrian

	29-10-2004 01:39									#306
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Yes, but the Boston redsox were expected to be a contendor, giving their aquisitions and spending- besides, the whole league championship series is what, 20 years old? So how can we compare this era to that in which the only post season series was the WS?

	29-10-2004 01:44									#307
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quote: Originally posted by GePap Yes, but the Boston redsox were expected to be a contendor, giving their aquisitions and spending- besides, the whole league championship series is what, 20 years old? So how can we compare this era to that in which the only post season series was the WS?

at least 35 years old. There were two divisions, and a 3 out of 5 LCS in 1969, IIRC. A single league with no division, no LCS puts you at least back to 1968 Im pretty sure.

	29-10-2004 01:45									#308
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So whom did the '69 Mets play

	29-10-2004 01:46									#309
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Baseball is full of stuff like that. Pre-DH, Post-DH (AL only). 154-game schedule, 162-game schedule. WS only, CS -> WS, and now DS -> CS -> WS, with the addition of Wild Cards (who, as pointed out, have won that last three WS).

I mean, the idjit Fox announcers like to bring up that Bernie Williams has the most "post-season" home runs and Jeter has the most hits (I think)... but that's because they've played on great Yankees teams in the three-tiered playoff era. The Babe, Joe D., The Mick... they did it in WS only.

You compare the best you can...

-Arrian

	29-10-2004 02:08									#310
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required reading:

http://msn.foxsports.com/story/3116686

	29-10-2004 02:10									#311
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I've read similar articles before (at the time, they were predicting what would happen *if* the Sox won).

While I generally agree that sooner or later, Sox fans will adjust to "life without the Curse" I'm really not sure they'll mind at all.

Those not named "Dan Shaunessey" anyway...

-Arrian

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quote: Originally posted by GePap So whom did the '69 Mets play

In the NLCS? I think the Pirates, who were actually in the western division at the time. And in the World Series, the Orioles of course. But most famously they came from behind to beat the Cubs in the NL East pennant race.

	29-10-2004 02:21									#313
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Actually, GePap, I was replying to many many of your earlier posts.

But come on...lets give it a rest. After all, we'll be celebrating again in a week when Boston has another winner

	29-10-2004 02:45									#314
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quote: Originally posted by GePap I didn't begin with the name calling- if someone wants to be confrontational, then I will give them what they want If someone just makes a celebratory comment, then good for them. The real ones celebrating aren;t doing it by posting on Poly.

Naaah, I'm doing it by booking vacation plans and buying tickets to opening day, April 11, 2005, to see the Sox (a) raise the WS pennant over Fenway, (b) welcome the MFY back to Fenway, and (c) watch the Sox kick MFY ass.

	29-10-2004 02:49									#315
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quote: Originally posted by GePap required reading: http://msn.foxsports.com/story/3116686

Yeah, no underdog when outspent by 60 million on payroll.

And yeah, it'll just be no fun beating the MFY again.

	29-10-2004 03:02									#316
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Yes, No underdog.

besides, given that St. louis payroll was smaller than Boston's, did that make St. Louis (you remember them, the team you actually played in th WS) the underdog?

	29-10-2004 03:36									#317
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quote: Originally posted by GePap Yes, No underdog. besides, given that St. louis payroll was smaller than Boston's, did that make St. Louis (you remember them, the team you actually played in th WS) the underdog?

Assuming Steiny and Cash-man had half the brains of Henry, Lucchino, Werner and Epstein, 125 mil payroll against 190 mil payroll sure as hell ought to make you the underdog.

And yeah, the Cards proved they were the underdog. Did we really play them? Well, yeah, we played them, but I don't think they really showed up to play us. More like the lamb, in this case. When I saw Ming predict Cards in 6, I laughed. I didn't really think sweep, but I knew after games 6 and 7 of the ALCS (and yeah, I thought we'd win) that the WS was only going to be at Fenway once this year.

A team with a lot of good, young homegrown talent can be competitive with a lower payroll for a short period of time, but you can't retain those guys past their eligibility for free agency - not enough of them to stay competitive over the long haul. To even be competitive in the short term with homegrown talent, you have to have a huge amount invested in scouting and player development, so your total cost of baseball operations still gets up there with the big boys, unless you just want to be the guys who are happy to break .500

	29-10-2004 03:54									#318
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Jeez.... Yankees fans make Man United fans look like paragons of decency and sportsmanship.

	29-10-2004 04:31									#319
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quote: I still like the fiction that this team will be the MOST REMEMBERED BASEBALL TEAM EVER!!!!

Top 5 easily. Along with the '27 Yanks, '61 Yanks, and '69 Mets, the '04 Red Sox will acquire the pantheon of most remembered teams and will most likely be #1.

As for sports movies, everyone remembers the '69 Mets as such a great story, but has anyone made a movie about them? Nope. Before 'Miracle' in 2003, had anyone made a movie about the 1980 US Hockey team? No.

The reason no movies had been made with the Red Sox, because they were such a 'cursed' team. The Indians and Angels don't have that history in their relative movies. Neither did the Minnesota Twins (in 'Little Big League'). Maybe the Washington Nationals/Senators did in 'Damn Yankees'. And Rookie of the Year had the Cubs, but there was no mention of them not winning since Peerless Leader, Frank Chance was running the club.

As for GePap's elitism... he is a Yankees fan (sorry Arrian, I know there are good Yankee fans ) .

	29-10-2004 04:45									#320
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quote: Here's to LoA:

thanks man. what a ride. I was on the phone with my buddy in canada in the ninth innings. just wow. it doesnt seem real, the sox standing and celebrating, the 1 hour sportscenter episode devoted solely to the sox. what can i say? its even better than i imagined it to be.

	29-10-2004 04:53									#321
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LoA

You must be in heaven .

Oh, and what a year for New England would this be if the Patriots won the Superbowl, the Red Sox won the Series, AND Kerry becomes President . Perhaps it is an omen?

	29-10-2004 04:54									#322
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btw, i dont care if we are just another team. itll be better that way

	29-10-2004 04:58									#323
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total eclipse of the heart

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	29-10-2004 04:58									#324
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mannyfest destiny!!!!!!

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	29-10-2004 04:58									#325
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Btw, I've heard people say this is the biggest thing that has happened to New England since the Revolution... they may be right .

	29-10-2004 04:59									#326
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	29-10-2004 05:37									#327
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World Series Champions,

Nuff Said........

	29-10-2004 05:50									#328
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quote: Originally posted by Lawrence of Arabia total eclipse of the heart

will someone make an avatar of this so i can dl it..... it would be waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay kewl and i would be in your debt

	29-10-2004 07:57									#329
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Here you go War4ever... congrats

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	29-10-2004 09:04									#330
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quote: Originally posted by Kalius Here you go War4ever... congrats

Thanks my friend...i am in your debt....its a great day to be alive, only thing i wish, i could have shared this with a few of my mates from this board.....

tis a great thing what has happened....... now its time for the cubbies