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CLOWNS WIT DA DOWNS 4 LIFE YO!
Jan 1970
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Okay, here are the 10 greatest Finns as voted, in no particular order:
Arvo Ylppö, a pediatricist
Urho Kekkonen, was the president of Finland for 25 years
Mikael Agricola, printed the first Finnish-language book (the Bible, natch)
Tarja Halonen, the current president
Aleksis Kivi, wrote 'The Seven Brothers' (which is considered one of Finnish literature mainstays) as well as other such works
Risto Ryti, Finland's president during the Continuation War
Elias Lönnrot, folklorist who put 'Kalevala' together
Adolf Ehrnrooth, WW2 General who later became the face of the veteran community
Jean Sibelius, composed 'Finlandia' and other such works
and of course C. G. E. Mannerheim, the Marshall of Finland and commander of the armed forces in the Civil War and the WW2.
11th was Matti Nykänen.  12th was Väinö Myllyrinne, who indeed ws the 'greatest' Finn in the sense that he was 248 cm tall and, for a while, the tallest man in the world. 13th was Ville Valo. 
Good things about the 10 best-list: No truly ridiculous choices (though at Halonen. SHE'S OUR TARJA! THE FIRST FEMALE PRESIDENT! YAY! 90% APPROVAL RATING FOR OUR MOOMINMAMMA! HURR!) No pop stars. No commies like Otto Wille Kuusinen (38th). No Pentti Linkola (18th - Jesus Christ already.)
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Originally posted by Locutus
This is the top 10 Greatest Dutchmen (yes, they're all men unfortunately) that I came up with myself:
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What about the boy who stuck his finger in the dike?
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FUKCOV - Former United Kingdom Colony of Virginia
Dec 2000
time: 00:20
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Originally posted by Locutus
In terms of painters and the like, I have to agree. In fact, the only American painter I can think of is Andy Warhol, but I'm not sure if he'd actually rate as one of the greatest Americans ever.
There are lots of great writers though: Hemingway, Cummings, Whitman, Poe, Miller, Asimov, etc, etc.
And if you include popular musicians, actors and other pop artists then the list is endless. Many of them are amongst the most famous people who ever lived, world wide. But of course, it's very much an open question if they deserve to be in a top 10 of Greatest Americans... |
American painters - off the top of my head
Jackson Pollack.
Jasper Johns.
Mark Rothko.
Georgia O'Keefe.
Barnett Newman (or was he born in Czecho?)
Roy Lichtenstein
Ben Shahn.
Robert Indiana.
IOW, mainly New York School Abstract Expressionists circa 1945-1960, or "pop" or "op" artists, 1955-1975.
Then there are some neo-expressionists, but i cant name any off the top of my head.
Oh, and Joseph Cornell, but he did constructions, not paintings. And if were gonna go the construction/sculpture direction, isnt Alexander Calder American?
For 19th century, theres Mary Cassatt, Frederick Remington, etc.
Writers youve only begun to scratch the surface.
Classical composers - several, but Aaron Copeland, Leonard Bernstein, stand out, off the top of my head.
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Locutus
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ACS CTP1/2 Manager & Civ4 Co-Manager
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Hengelo, The Netherlands
Nov 1999
time: 06:20
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Originally posted by Agathon
Plato, Aristotle and Homer are the core of the western literary, political and scientific tradition. No one else even compares. |
That's just one opinion. IMO people like Einstein, Da Vinci, Galilei, Newton, Erasmus, Voltaire, Descartes, Martin Luther, Marx, Adam Smith, Shakespeare, Twain, Dickens, Orwell, etc are right up there too. I don't know in what order I'd place them but it's by no means a given that the great Greeks would come out on top.
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lord of the mark
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FUKCOV - Former United Kingdom Colony of Virginia
Dec 2000
time: 00:20
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Originally posted by Agathon
This sort of thing is a bit unfair. What about the Jews? Most famous Jewish people would be counted as Germans, Americans, etc.
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If they made their contributions in a "non-Jewish" language AND their contribution was largely part of the culture they lived in, id go with that. Thus Einstein, Mahler, Freud, Copeland, Pollack, etc should go as Germans, Austrians, Americans, etc. Someone whos work is essentially "Jewish" should be counted as such - thus Rosenzwieg, Buber, Scholem, even though they wrote in German, and in the case of the former have influenced non-Jewish thinkers. Similarly Maimonides should also be considered "Jewish" as the Guide, while part of the cultural discourse of the arab world of his day, was written in Judeo-Arabic, and applied it aristotelean doctrines to Jewish texts (not to mention his other more narrowly Jewish works)
In some cases this becomes difficult - should Leonard Bernstein go as "jewish" because his of "kaddish"? I dont think so, he belongs in American music. Or Chagall?
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Famous Danes :
Niels Bohr Atomic theory
H.C. Andersen Don't have to explain
Ole Rømer Light speed
H.C. Ørsted Electromagnetism
Søren Kierkegaard Philosphy
Tycho Brahe Astronomy
Vitus Bering Explorer (Bering strait etc)
The Maersk family Ever seen a blue flag with a white star ?
Bjørn Lomborg Had the gut to stand up against PC
And not to forget :
Lars Ulrich Drummer in Metallica
Anja Andersen Godess of handball
Oups, one more than the allowed qoute.
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