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Here's what they think in the UK...

Who is the greatest American?
Homer Simpson - 47.17%
Abraham Lincoln - 9.67%
Martin Luther King Jnr - 8.54%
Mr T - 7.83%
Thomas Jefferson - 5.68%
George Washington - 5.12%
Bob Dylan - 4.71%
Benjamin Franklin - 4.10%
Franklin D Roosevelt - 3.65%
Bill Clinton - 3.53%

37,102 Votes Cast

From the BBC News website.

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Top 10 Northmen, according to me

1 Fridtjof Nansen
2 Thor Heyerdahl
3 Helge Ingstad
4 Roald Amundsen
5 Bjørnstjerne Bjørnson
6 Henrik Ibsen
7 Christian Michelsen
8 Olav Tryggvason
9 Leif Eiriksson
10 Ludvig Holberg - Winston pwnz0r0d omfg


Not a very well thought out list though. But it's not like you guys have heard about any of them anyway

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No Edvard Grieg, no Tryggve Lie, Alexander Kielland, Knut Hamsun, Edvard Munch?

You really don't need to feebly attempt to claim Holberg as your own, in order to make a comprehensive list of famous Norwegians.

And Sonja Henie!

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9 Leif Eiriksson

Is he the cell phone guy?

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He was the Viking who discovered America.
Rather a lot of explorers on that list, with Heyerdahl and Amundsen too... Well, those are the only ones I know anyway.

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You know whom my vote would go to...

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Is he the cell phone guy?


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No Edvard Grieg, no Tryggve Lie, Alexander Kielland, Knut Hamsun, Edvard Munch?

You really don't need to feebly attempt to claim Holberg as your own, in order to make a comprehensive list of famous Norwegians.

And Sonja Henie!



Astonishing that he could leave off Munch.


And the dramatically gifted Liv Ullmann, too.


I suspect that for many non-Norwegians, Norway has the Belgium/Canada Syndrome- people mistake gifted Norwegians for Swedes or Danes.

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Yes that's true molly. Some of them are a bit interwoven also, to mix it up even further. I will occasionally get semi-wellknown Norwegians and Swedes mistaken for oneanother as well.

Liv Ullmann is worthy of mention, certainly.

I'd also like to make a case for comedian Rolf Wesenlund, aka. Marve Fleksnes, though I doubt many people outside the Nordic countries have heard of him. Their loss! Boy he used to crack us up back in the 70's and 80's.

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I suspect that for many non-Norwegians, Norway has the Belgium/Canada Syndrome- people mistake gifted Norwegians for Swedes or Danes.


I assume you mean Canadians are mistaken for Americans and Belgians are mistaken for Frenchmen, not Belgians are mistaken for Canadians, right?

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I suspect that for many non-Norwegians, Norway has the Belgium/Canada Syndrome- people mistake gifted Norwegians for Swedes or Danes.


I assume you mean Canadians are mistaken for Americans and Belgians are mistaken for Frenchmen, not Belgians are mistaken for Canadians, right?


Possibly, I forget.

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Sure I could have put those people on the list as well. Well not Liv Ullmann, the annoying *****. I now notice that the top four plus Leif and to a certain extent Olav are "explorers". I guess the list reflects my interests. Any "official" list would look quite different. But Nansen would probably be very high up.

Greatest people from the 20th century, according to the newspaper VG: http://www.vg.no/pub/vgart.hbs?artid=17193

Winston, Holberg was Norwegian AND Danish. Happy now? Have you read Niels Klim? You should. Everyone should. I've probably read it five times. (Full English title: "The Journey of Niels Klim to the World Underground")

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Fleksnes

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Greatest people from the 20th century, according to the newspaper VG: http://www.vg.no/pub/vgart.hbs?artid=17193




The Norwegian Inferiority Complex

"Having played little brother to Sweden for almost 200 years, Norway suffers from a slight inferiority complex. Sweden has twice as many people, a third as large land area (with less mountain plateaus), more successful artists (ABBA springs to mind), a more impressive history, Volvo and Saab. And, let's face it, Norwegians have always payed much more attention to Sweden and Swedes than the other way around.

A result of this is the strong focus on everything Norwegian and a patriotism that borders on the ridiculous. Very important to Norwegians and disappointingly (to Norwegians) unimportant to foreigners are the following facts:

The paperclip is a Norwegian invention
The aerosol can and the cheese slicer are Norwegian inventions
Cross-country skiing as a sport originated in Norway and slalom is a Norwegian word
a-ha is a Norwegian band
The first man to the South Pole (Amundsen) was a Norwegian
The first Europeans in North America were Norwegian Vikings6
The Nobel peace prize is awarded in Norway
Ford Motor Company's electric car 'Think' is produced in Norway

Every time Norway is mentioned in the international press it is big news in Norway, and Norwegians are very disappointed when they discover that foreigners they meet don't all memorise every mention of Norway in the papers. And they will take it as a grave insult if a foreigner confuses Norway and Sweden in any way. If you have to guess whether something is Norwegian or Swedish, go for Norwegian. If you're wrong, the Norwegian will still be annoyed, but not so much as if you had erred in the other direction."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/h2g2/classic/A803422


Norwegians:

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Fleksnes is actually based on a British series, "Steptoe and Son", btw. I learned this 1 minute ago.

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Yes, we'll claim joint ownership of ol' Holberg.

Although I do think it would be more correct to say that he was originally a Norwegian from the 17th/18th century, hence Danish by the most basic of definitions. pwnsoxorz

I've read Niels Klim back when I was a boy, but I must say I don't remember it at all here in my old age... I might look into getting it again, now that you recommend it so warmly.

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Molly, . very true.

We compare ourselves with Sweden all the time. Of course, now that we have been better than them in everything for the last ~20 years it's getting a little disgusting. Like kicking someone when they're down.

I think a lot of small countries have the same "complex", btw.

Like Canada - the US, NZ - Oz, Austria - Germany, Finalnd - Sweden

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Now, now. Everyone knows that the greatest Norwegian ever was



BLACK METAAAAAAL

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I remember from back when I watched TV, that stories of extremely, OUTRAGEOUSLY, patriotic Norwegian news items or sports commentary would occasionally make the news here, much to the amusement of everybody.

Like that time in the 1980's when you beat England on Wembley. That commentator's euphoria at the final whistle is something I will never forget, if I live to be a hundred.

Or during the Lillehammer Olympics (I think) when NRK made a little "special" about how Sweden never took any medals anymore. Tongue-in-cheek of course, but they were actually right...

Also I think to this day, there's a very distinct difference in watching e.g. televised national football matches, depending on whether it's Norwegian/Danish or Swedish. The Swedish commentators are much more relaxed and matter-of-fact about the whole affair, almost bordering on being boring listening to. Not so with Norwegians or Danes, to say the least.

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Yes, we'll claim joint ownership of ol' Holberg.

Although I do think it would be more correct to say that he was originally a Norwegian from the 17th/18th century, hence Danish by the most basic of definitions. pwnsoxorz

I've read Niels Klim back when I was a boy, but I must say I don't remember it at all here in my old age... I might look into getting it again, now that you recommend it so warmly.


Even though Norway was officially turned into a Danish county in 1536 or thereabouts, people still made the distinction between Norway and Denmark and Danes and Norwegians. Not that national identity was very strong in either part of the kingdom back then.
For instance, consider Holberg's "Dannemarks og Norges Beskrivelse" where he compares the two countries.

Born and raised and worked for a little while in Norway. Educated and spent most of his professional life in Denmark. Wrote in Latin and Danish. Danish citizen, but not a Dane.

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BLACK METAAAAAAL


Varg!

He's actually turned away from Satanism and cut his hair and become a Neo-Nazi instead. I guess prison can do that to a man.

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Very well.

*extends hand and offers to buy Gangerolf one, that's ONE Tuborg the next time he's in Copenhagen, as well as carry him most of the way back to the ferry afterwards*

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Watching football or skiing, I often find myself muting the TV because the commentators get so incredibly fired up. Sometimes it's funny, other times it's just annoying.


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Like that time in the 1980's when you beat England on Wembley. That commentator's euphoria at the final whistle is something I will never forget, if I live to be a hundred.


You mean this? http://www.nrk.no/dynasx?p_lenke_id...59&mswmext=.asx
Your boys took a hell of a beating! Maggie Thatcher! Vi er best i verden!
According to the BBC, this is the finest example of sports commentating ever.

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*extends hand and offers to buy Gangerolf one, that's ONE Tuborg the next time he's in Copenhagen, as well as carry him most of the way back to the ferry afterwards*


Thank you. I'll buy you a Ringnes if you're ever in Oslo.

Actually, I was given some free tickets for the ferry (Danskebåten, as it's called here) but that's for Frederikshavn or maybe it was Hirtshals. A great chance to stock up on red sausages, dansk leverpostej and beer, but a very scary place (if you're sober, which I probaby won't be).

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Damn! This thread should be topped for all eternity for the sake of that link you posted Gangerolf! I have to figure out how to save that to my drive.

Absolutely hilarious.

Transcripted for our foreign friends here:

"There's the whistle, there's the whistle. Norway has beaten England, 2 to 1 in football. We are the best in the world. We are the best in the world. We've beaten England, 2 to 1 in football. It's absolutely unbelievable. We've beaten England. England, the home of giants. Lord Nelson. Lord Beaverbrook. Sir Winston Churchill. Sir Anthony Eden. Clement Attlee. Henry Cooper. Lady Diana. We've beaten them all. We've beaten them all. Maggie Thatcher, can you hear me. Maggie Thatcher, we have a message for you, right now during the election campaign. We have a message for you. We've taken England out of the World Cup qualification in football. Maggie Thatcher, as they say in your native tongue, at the boxing bars round Madison Square Garden in New York, "Your boys took a Hell of a beating. Your boys took a Hell of a beating." For Maggie Thatcher. Norway has beaten England in football. We are the best in the world."

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Damn! This thread should be topped for all eternity for the sake of that link you posted Gangerolf! I have to figure out how to save that to my drive.


Paste it into notepad.

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Good idea.

Done and done.

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You can download it here: http://www.itk.ntnu.no/~jonegil/mul..._lillelien.html

You need RealPlayer( ) though

but yep pasting the link into notepad is an excellent idea as long as NRK doesn't remove the file

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Of course, like the rest of Greek culture, no one worth mentioning for the last 2500 years.


Who cares when you would probably have 4 of the top three.

Plato, Aristotle and Homer are the core of the western literary, political and scientific tradition. No one else even compares.


Douglas Adams >>> Plato + Aristotle + Homer

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Muwahahahha.

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Brilliant. Oh, I remember the Norway/Soviet tie from Oslo in 1982 also. What a nerve wrecking finish.

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Sorry, it was the Observer/Guardian, not the BBC

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1 'Lord Nelson! Lord Beaverbrook! Sir Winston Churchill! Sir Anthony Eden! Clement Attlee! Henry Cooper! Lady Diana! Maggie Thatcher - can you hear me, Maggie Thatcher! Your boys took one hell of a beating! Your boys took one hell of a beating!'
Said by Bjorn Minge on Norwegian TV
When Norway beat England 2-1 in Oslo in a World Cup qualifier in Sept 1981

Minge's gloriously over-the-top response to Norway's unlikely victory over Ron Greenwood's side marked the high watermark of football commentary as social commentary. Passionate, uninhibited and a bit weird, football fans everywhere from Scotland to Argentina knew exactly what he was saying: that there is no pleasure as sweet as beating England at their own game.


http://observer.guardian.co.uk/osm/...,803011,00.html

But the guy's name is Bjørge Lillelien, not Bjorn Minge

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And it wasn't in Oslo, it was at Wembley.

Journalists not paying eniugh attention.

Edit: Oops... never mind then..

Journalists paying enough attention

 
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