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Which is better for games - CRTs or LCDs? (Time out:0 days after 25-10-2004, 06:38)
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To sum up, here are the pros and cons of LCDs and CRTs according to Cnet

LCD (Pros):

1) Thin and stylish;

2) Crisp image (probably because the pixels are clearly defined);

3) More display area (a 15-inch LCD is equivalent to a 17-inch CRT...);

4) No refresh-rate flicker;

5) Little or no low-frequency electromagnetic emissions compared with a CRT;

6) Perfect screen geometry, which means:

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A description of how accurately lines and shapes are represented on the display. LCDs almost always have perfect geometry because the display information is mapped to specific physical pixels on the display. CRTs may have problems with screen geometry; larger screens and flat-faced models have particular difficulty controlling electron beams with precision. As a result, vertical lines may be noticeably curved at the edges of the display, and circles may appear oval or egg-shaped. The best CRT monitors include controls that let you adjust the screen geometry; still, it can be difficult to adjust it perfectly in all regions of the screen.


7) No convergence problems, which means:

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Color CRTs rely on three separate electrical beams to project simultaneous red, green, and blue images; these combine to form a full-color image. If these beams are not precisely aligned, the red, green, and blue portions of the image may not overlap correctly, degrading the overall image quality. When the three beams converge correctly at all points on the display, you get a perfect image.


LCD (Cons):

(1) Expensive;

(2) Limited viewing angle. (This can be a problem even if your sitting in front of your screen. If you sit slightly to the left, for instance, the image quality looks a bit washed out.);

(3) Color rendition may be limited or inconsistent;

(4) Moving images may smear (ghosting);

(5) Image quality is (sometimes greatly) reduced when running in nonnative resolution, because the image must be scaled to match the pattern of physical pixels;

(6) Texts are more pixelated than on CRTs. Why? Maybe its because the pixels are clearly defined. The fact that the pixels on CRTs are less clearly defined act as a form anti-aliasing.

CRT (Pros):

(1) Relatively inexpensive;

(2) Unlimited viewing angle;

(3) Generally good color rendition;

(4) Moving images do not smear;

(5) Can display different-resolution images with relatively little loss of quality;

(6) Texts are less pixelated.

CRT (Cons):

(1) Large and bulky;

(2) Pixels are not clearly defined at any resolution (that would explain why the image is not as crisp as a LCD);

(3) Less display area (a 15-inch LCD is equivalent to a 17-inch CRT);

(4) Refresh-rate flicker is below 75Hz; flicker is more severe with larger monitors;

(5) More low-frequency electromagnetic emissions than LCDs (However, I doubt this is really a problem);

(6) Nearly impossible to get perfect screen geometry, especially with flat-faced CRT designs;

(7) Almost impossible to get perfect convergence of red, green, and blue beams on all parts of the screen.

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Again, LCD's don't have glass between the screen and the viewer. Not only does glass have glare, but it messes with the light.

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Again, LCD's don't have glass between the screen and the viewer. Not only does glass have glare, but it messes with the light.
dumbest argument for LCD's that I've heard...

You wear glasses right? Well that ****s up the quality more1!!!!11!!!

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sometimes in our house we find a need to have two peoiple look at the PC at the same time - most commonly to work together on some document or website, though occassionally POTM and I will look at a game together - this works fine on CRT, would it be a problem on LCD?

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dumbest argument for LCD's that I've heard...

You wear glasses right? Well that ****s up the quality more1!!!!11!!!


Without glasses, the image is blurry.

With glass in front of the screen, the image is blurry.

Every single CRT I've ever seen has suffered poor image quality because of the glass and because of simply how it works - pixels in CRT's are always fuzzy.

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sometimes in our house we find a need to have two peoiple look at the PC at the same time - most commonly to work together on some document or website, though occassionally POTM and I will look at a game together - this works fine on CRT, would it be a problem on LCD?


Not on most. The angle for it looking weird is pretty big.

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http://www.newscientist.com/news/news.jsp?id=ns99996557

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Conventional computer screens can only manage 1600 by 1200 pixels, and even high-definition TV displays create their images with an array of 1920 by 1080 pixels at best. Now, HP reckons it can make an A4-sized screen with 7000 by 5000 pixels – matching the quality of a glossy magazine. HP says it will be able to replicate this quality on screens all the way up to large electronic posters and billboards.


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I bought a new 19" LCD monitor for a reduced price 3 weeks ago, and it is already one of the best purchases I've ever made. The clarity and size of the image is SO superior to my old CRT, and I've had no smearing or ghosting problems at all.

Its DREAMTASTIC.

Ok, if you look at it sideways its a bit "odd" - so I simply don't look at it sideways. If I sit to one side, I can swivel it around with one finger anyway.

I won't say how much it was, because it wasn't cheap... but it was money well spent

LCD!

-Jam

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I bought a new 19" LCD monitor for a reduced price 3 weeks ago, and it is already one of the best purchases I've ever made. The clarity and size of the image is SO superior to my old CRT, and I've had no smearing or ghosting problems at all.

Its DREAMTASTIC.

Ok, if you look at it sideways its a bit "odd" - so I simply don't look at it sideways. If I sit to one side, I can swivel it around with one finger anyway.

I won't say how much it was, because it wasn't cheap... but it was money well spent

LCD!

-Jam


If the 'reduced price' was more than the 80 quid I got my 21' CRT for, your on a loser!

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I suppose the good thing about TFT's is that they are driving down the price of big CRT's.

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Sava needs to get with modern times.

LCD's rule!

But since my CRT is still running, I'll keep it until it does. Then LCD here I come.

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(...), though occassionally POTM and I will look at a game together - this works fine on CRT, would it be a problem on LCD?


As mentioned before: On my monitor it's no problem at all. Even at a viewing angle on as close to 180 as possible, the colors are almost perfect

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The light seen on the picture comes from my cell phone...

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Hm, LCDs are very different from CRTs so comparing refresh rates is silly.

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Every single CRT I've ever seen has suffered poor image quality because of the glass and because of simply how it works - pixels in CRT's are always fuzzy.


Not so. You have just been using crappy CRTs.

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my LCD is only 50Hz at 1024x768 (it's a Dell LCD).

That's fine if you prefer an LCD. This is all just a matter of opinion. You are certainly entitled to yours.


There's your problem. You bought a Dell. If you're going to get an LCD, get something good. If you don't have the money buy a CRT.

I've got a TFT too, a iiyama 17 inch Prolite E431S and it's very comfortable to look at. I never have any problems during the day looking at the screen (sun and other ligh sources don't **** up your view)
Viewing angle isn't really a problem, I can watch it from pretty much every angle possible.
Ghosting is a problem that occurred a lot with old and crappy LCD. With modern technology you won't see that anymore. Same goes for response time, they're down to 12ms right now and your eyes are not that fast that they can see that lag; once you get up to 25 ms and higher (crappy LCD) that's bad.

Still I think for pure gaming a CRT is slightly better, but not that much. It's possible to pwn with a TFT too

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With glass in front of the screen, the image is blurry.


Try cleaning it once in a while.

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Not so. You have just been using crappy CRTs.


Agreed. Using some no-name piece of crap CRT for image comparisons kind of makes that arguement invalid.

It's when you compare equivalently priced CRT and TFT monitors that a true opinion can be given. The image uality of most of the TFT monitors when displaying graphics was somewhat inferior to my Sony trinitron.

CRT

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CRT provides flexible resolution and better colors.

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Try cleaning it once in a while.


It gives a new meaning to "screen shot"

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A big plus for LCDs IMO is crisper text and (considerably) reduced eyestrain.

If you happen to read a lot on your computer then: LCD

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A big plus for LCDs IMO is crisper text and (considerably) reduced eyestrain.

If you happen to read a lot on your computer then: LCD


Reduced eyestrain is generally attributed to the absence of flicker. But if you have a good CRT, this shouldn't be a problem. The text may be be crisper, but its also more pixelated. Those damn jaggies can become quite irritating. A friend of mine bought an LCD and he simply couldn't stand the jaggies, so he returned it.

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It gives a new meaning to "screen shot"

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A friend of mine bought an LCD and he simply couldn't stand the jaggies, so he returned it


My LCD has 5 levels of "pixel blur" built into it (I said it was a good one) which nicely retain crispness without jaggies on the 2nd lowest level. Sweetness. Wonderful monitor

-Jam

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Care to tell us what, exactly, is that dream machine of yours? Or do you want to keep it for yourself? My Precioussss. Did you get one of those LCD tv's? They are much better than computer LCDs, and also much more expensive...

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Its a Samsung 193P, if that means anything to you. I just bought it on impulse, dunno if its the best or anything.

-Jam

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Its a Samsung 193P, if that means anything to you. I just bought it on impulse, dunno if its the best or anything.

-Jam


It got very good reviews.

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Ouch! They sell it 1000$ here in Canada...

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Ouch! They sell it 1000$ here in Canada...


How much does a secondhand 21' CRT go for in Canada?

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How much does a secondhand 21' CRT go for in Canada?


For 500$, you get a bling bling CRT, a gold plated, diamond incrusted 21'CRT...

 
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