28-10-2004 05:36									#61
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If I am getting a computer mainly for 3-D gaming, with a top graphic card, is it a waste to get a 19" LCD?

	28-10-2004 07:23									#62
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19 seems plenty big to me. Although maybe if I have the cash I'd get a 21 flat. no way would I get a 21 crt. My 19 is too big as it is. Takes up far too much room.

	28-10-2004 07:27									#63
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I use a 21" CRT. There is no way I could settle for a tinier screen.

	28-10-2004 08:02									#64
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Me too. I use a 12 inch LCD. There is no way I could settle for a tinier screen.

	28-10-2004 08:04									#65
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quote: Originally posted by Dissident 19 seems plenty big to me. Although maybe if I have the cash I'd get a 21 flat. no way would I get a 21 crt. My 19 is too big as it is. Takes up far too much room.

I mean though, would the graphics on the games not be as good as if it were being played on a CRT?

	28-10-2004 08:05									#66
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If most reviews say they are almost as good as CRT...

They vary by model though, so research the specific one(s) you are interested in.

	28-10-2004 13:33									#67
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I've read that when buying a TFT monitor, you have to look at what panel it's built on, not (only) how fast it is

As far as I know, there's about 3 different panels: MVA (or some letters like that), TN+ and S-IPS

MVA is very slow in updateing (ghosting is almost certain)
TN+ is fast, but doesn't have many colors
S-IPS is expensive, but also the best (on not avaliable in 17" or smaller IIRC)

My monitor has S-IPS (Flatron L1910S), but only has 25 ms (whatever that is called)... but as I played Doom 3 there were no ghosting or anything like that... and friend of mine who plays lots more fps games couldn't see any problems either...Don't buy any monitor with higher than 25 though...

	28-10-2004 19:47									#68
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For what its worth, there's a rant on LCD in the Inquirer today.

	28-10-2004 20:06									#69
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Seems spot on to me.

	28-10-2004 20:35									#70
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I read a bunch about dead pixels and how each of the different vendors deal with this issue.

Link to Dead Pixel article

According to the article, only Hitachi, Lite On (never heard of this company), and Phillips have a zero tolerance for dead pixels. That is a bit troubling that defects could be present in a brand new LCD, and some of the manufacturers will not address the issue until enough dead pixels warrant replacement. What I learned in my reading is that dead pixels are usually a result of the manufacturing process and will not occur from use. Bottom line, whatever you get upon delivery, is probably the condition of your monitor. So, if you don't have "enough" dead pixels to warrant replacement upon delivery -- you are probably stuck with the device as dead pixels cannot be repaired.

Combined with the price premium on these devices and potential performance issues of some systems, it will keep me on the sidelines a bit longer.

	28-10-2004 21:10									#71
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But for some countries (Denmark among those) there is another way. AFAIK there's a rule that when buying from a web store, you have 14 days to evaluate the product. If the product, for whatever reason, don't live up to what you expect, you can get your money back. If course there's still a special rule about number of dead pixels, but if you have a dead pixel you can return it anyway, as long as you don't mention the dead pixel. You could just say that "it didn't look good on the desktop" or something like that... or at least that's what I've heard. I haven't checked if this actually works...

	28-10-2004 21:14									#72
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quote: Originally posted by Dauphin http://www.newscientist.com/news/news.jsp?id=ns99996557 quote: Conventional computer screens can only manage 1600 by 1200 pixels, and even high-definition TV displays create their images with an array of 1920 by 1080 pixels at best. Now, HP reckons it can make an A4-sized screen with 7000 by 5000 pixels – matching the quality of a glossy magazine. HP says it will be able to replicate this quality on screens all the way up to large electronic posters and billboards.

My Samtron 96P can do 2048x1536 (albeit at only 60Hz), and it cost less than 300€ .

	28-10-2004 21:18									#73
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yes, you can do that stateside also. However, you get the better deals when buying via the internet as opposed to retail outlets. However, for this technology, that would be advisable. It is very difficult to "fight for you rights" with an electronic storefront in cyberspace. This is a case where a retail premium makes sense.

Still, it's tough to pull the trigger seeing the traditional CRT prices drop compared to comprable LCD monitors. My 17" CRT is starting to look small. Combined with the inability to really resize the screen in Civ III. Well, I got get a bigger screen.

	29-10-2004 03:10									#74
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The flat screen is so NICE though. Its just a quality of life thing. The colours seem brighter and truer too - especially photos, and I can tell the difference between 16bit and 32bit colour on an LCD, which I couldn't on a CRT.

-Jam

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quote: You're looking good as long as you sit in the dark, not too much to the side, are colour blind and plan on watching Tai Chi videos

Great article

	29-10-2004 03:36									#76
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I'm starting to think that you had a crap CRT before, because its a well known fact that LCD's have a problem with color fidelity. That's why tech specialists don't recommend LCDs to content creators (artists, for example). However, I'm sure its less of a problem with a flat panel such as yours.

	29-10-2004 05:12									#77
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quote: Originally posted by nostromo I'm starting to think that you had a crap CRT before, because its a well known fact that LCD's have a problem with color fidelity. That's why tech specialists don't recommend LCDs to content creators (artists, for example). However, I'm sure its less of a problem with a flat panel such as yours.

Maybe, but it's a fact that it is way more comfortable to work on an LCD than a CRT.

PS: Today I visited a friend with 2 19 inch BENQ screens (dualview).
That was some impressive stuff! Even better than my screen , although his max resolution is the same as mine, so everything looks a bit bigger on those screens

	29-10-2004 09:52									#78
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quote: Originally posted by nostromo I'm starting to think that you had a crap CRT before, because its a well known fact that LCD's have a problem with color fidelity. That's why tech specialists don't recommend LCDs to content creators (artists, for example). However, I'm sure its less of a problem with a flat panel such as yours.

All the designers I know use CRTs and have enormous desks

	29-10-2004 22:41									#79
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Yes, most power users use CRTs. People get taken in by the sexiness of LCDs, and forget to check out the actual performance.

Anyway Jam, your monitor is pricey. If you want to compare you need to compare it to a high end CRT, and believe me you can tell the difference between 16Bit and 32Bit colour.

	30-10-2004 00:37									#80
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Yeah it did cost me nearly my whole first months wages (after tax, rent etc) Ah - the benefits of no social life!

It ~is~ a sweet number though - perhaps not ~quite~ as great as a huge expensive CRT in terms of quality, but considering I have a small desk in the corner of my dad's spare room, its dead practical.

Yeah, and my old monitor was shit beyond belief. It was a 14" CRT with very few adjusters. I was running Adobe Gamma in the background 24/7 to compensate.

But hey, I'm happy with it.

-Jam

	30-10-2004 01:53									#81
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I use laptops only and will never buy a desktop again because 1) I can't carry it around, and 2) it takes far far too much place, and that's even worse for CRTs than LCDs.
So my choice is 'laptop', xhich is not a LCD monitor, but a LCD part of the computer itself.

	30-10-2004 02:08									#82
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quote: Originally posted by Jamski Yeah it did cost me nearly my whole first months wages (after tax, rent etc) Ah - the benefits of no social life! It ~is~ a sweet number though - perhaps not ~quite~ as great as a huge expensive CRT in terms of quality, but considering I have a small desk in the corner of my dad's spare room, its dead practical. Yeah, and my old monitor was shit beyond belief. It was a 14" CRT with very few adjusters. I was running Adobe Gamma in the background 24/7 to compensate. But hey, I'm happy with it. -Jam

Yeah, if space is at a premium it's a fair choice. Plus my monitor weighs a tonne.

	30-10-2004 04:15									#83
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And yours has a resolution too high for the tiny fonts you use

-Jam

	30-10-2004 14:39									#84
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Ok we need to settle this!

Everyone post their resolution. I use 1280*1024 on a 17 inch Liyama. All power users have such resolutions, but when Jamski came to visit he just kept whinging about how small the icons were.

So, votes?

	30-10-2004 14:57									#85
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1280*1024 19 inch 16 bit 75 Hz
( My previous card blew up - a 9600 PRO - and my current one - TnT32MB - can't handle more.

	30-10-2004 15:07									#86
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quote: Originally posted by alva 1280*1024 19 inch 16 bit 75 Hz ( My previous card blew up - a 9600 PRO - and my current one - TnT32MB - can't handle more.

Score 1 for the Doctor.

	30-10-2004 16:31									#87
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1280x1024... my current monitor is 19" (in case you missed it )... I used the same resolution on my 17" CRT

	30-10-2004 16:37									#88
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Score 2.

	30-10-2004 19:27									#89
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No no no, the resolution was FINE, Doc. The problem was your tiny sized fonts!

I'm using 1280*1024 on a 19" now, but I'm also using 11pt fonts on the desktop. Yours looked like 7pt or 8pt.

Oh, and in NWN I use the "high res fonts"

-Jam

	30-10-2004 19:36									#90
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quote: Originally posted by Jamski No no no, the resolution was FINE, Doc. The problem was your tiny sized fonts! I'm using 1280*1024 on a 19" now, but I'm also using 11pt fonts on the desktop. Yours looked like 7pt or 8pt. Oh, and in NWN I use the "high res fonts" -Jam

No I use default font size, like Alva and Adagio no doubt, so this objection carries no weight whatsoever.