26-10-2004 20:45									#31
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quote: Originally posted by DanS What state are you in dojo?

denial

	26-10-2004 20:47									#32
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	26-10-2004 20:47									#33
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quote: Nationalists all love their country to a greater or lesser degree and they want their country to do well, but, nationalism is considered an immature political philosophy because it does not develop further then that. Unlike say socialism, communism, or fascism there is not an over riding plan for how society should be ordered.

But nationalism is not a political philosophy. For the purposes of this debate it is interchangeable with patriotism though there are some cosmetic differences. Fascism is what happens when nationalism enters politics, and as you have correctly stated it leans towards socialism. Hence, nationalism when applied leads to national socialism. Nazism.

You seem to take nationalism to be a political philosophy, it is not. It is rather like saying "fear" (an appropriate example) is a political philosophy, whereas fear, applied, is popularism or democracy. That of course takes advantage of nationalism too... hence in times of perceived crisis fascism rises quickly through democracy.

	26-10-2004 20:49									#34
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Patriotism is a love of one's country.
Nationalism is a love of one's country to the detriment of other countries.

	26-10-2004 20:51									#35
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IW... great distinction

It's rather like the difference between "dumb" and "stupid" (respectively).

	26-10-2004 20:51									#36
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quote: Originally posted by Whaleboy Oerdin this reminds me of a thread you started over a year ago strawmanning me (my argument was similar to Mills in my sig).... went on for about 6 pages until I was able to come online, I posted and you never returned .

In your sig? Hmmm....


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BTW Where is the straw man? You can't just accuss someone of a straw man you have to actually point it out so that other people can agree or refute your argument.

	26-10-2004 20:51									#37
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Wow, it took how many posts before we got to "USA = Nazis" ? Five?

****in' A.

-Arrian

	26-10-2004 20:53									#38
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quote: Wow, it took how many posts before we got to "USA = Nazis" ? Five?

Pretty good eh?

Hehe Oerdin still avoiding the topic then?

	26-10-2004 20:54									#39
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oh -- another good title for this thread:


"Why I voted for a religious-right president"

	26-10-2004 20:57									#40
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara denial

That's a river Bush Repugs are drowning in.

	26-10-2004 21:01									#41
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quote: BTW Where is the straw man? You can't just accuss someone of a straw man you have to actually point it out so that other people can agree or refute your argument.

You said something like "elijah says conversatives are stupid" whereas my argument was that stupid people tend to be conservative. Penguins and birds. While being conservative doesn't mean you have to be stupid, indeed there are very intelligent conservatives (I use the word in the traditional, nationalistic sense, not fiscal), if you're stupid you're probably conservative. You misrespresented my argument, and as a result when I arrived on the thread there was an argument going on between those who thought you had represented me truthfully and those that actually understood what I had said.

Strawmen

	26-10-2004 21:02									#42
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quote: Originally posted by Whaleboy Pretty good eh? Hehe Oerdin still avoiding the topic then?

I believe you are the one who accussed me of using a straw man but is unable to find even one example.

	26-10-2004 21:03									#43
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quote: Originally posted by Whaleboy You said something like "elijah says conversatives are stupid" whereas my argument was that stupid people tend to be conservative. Penguins and birds. While being conservative doesn't mean you have to be stupid, indeed there are very intelligent conservatives (I use the word in the traditional, nationalistic sense, not fiscal), if you're stupid you're probably conservative.

Ok please forgive me if I don't trust your recollection. I'd like a link so we can all see the truth.

	26-10-2004 21:06									#44
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There's an quote that goes, "While it's not true that most conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservative." I believe it was Mill who said it.

	26-10-2004 21:08									#45
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That's in Whaleboy's sig, Che. Which is what he's been talking about for a while now.

When he can take a break from calling our country facist, I mean.

-Arrian

	26-10-2004 21:09									#46
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Che: I'm not arguing about a Mills quote I'm disagreeing with whaleboy about what I said. He claims I used a strawman argument a year ago but only he seems to remember it and he is unable to post a link to prove such a thread ever existed.

In short I think he's full of it.

	26-10-2004 21:11									#47
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quote: Ok please forgive me if I don't trust your recollection. I'd like a link so we can all see the truth.

http://apolyton.net/forums/showthre...&threadid=96026
Pwned

EDIT: I especially like how Oerdin, both then and now thinks he can claim victory because of the apparent absense of his opponent... whether that involves finding a thread he wants to see or posting it when his opponent is asleep!

	26-10-2004 21:12									#48
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Sorry about the delay, took a while to dig through archives to find the thread I was referring to.

I was so pro-democracy back then . Well, I know better than that now .

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	26-10-2004 21:47									#49
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"now" -- not "know"

	26-10-2004 21:49									#50
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It's not my fault! I use spellcheckers!

	26-10-2004 21:50									#51
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To rely exclusively on a spell checker does not bode well for your reputation, buddy.

	26-10-2004 21:53									#52
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I know... I'm writing but speed and quality at the moment is more crucial than spelling, though I'm far more precise with grammar than I am on here.

	26-10-2004 21:53									#53
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I don't believe you. We're going to have to set up an independent committee to investiage the validity of your claims.

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	26-10-2004 21:58									#55
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quote: Originally posted by Whaleboy http://apolyton.net/forums/showthre...&threadid=96026 Pwned

PWNed my ASS!! That thread was about Elijah most certainly did claim that liberals always use reason and logic while conservatives always use fear and heat. I called him on it and he got PWNed.

The fact that flip flopping later occured doesn't hange a damn thing about the PWNage which occured.

	26-10-2004 22:00									#56
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He is elijah, Oerdin. Same poster. Name change.

-Arrian

	26-10-2004 22:00									#57
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EDIT: x-post with Arrian, who beat me by two nanoseconds

	26-10-2004 22:01									#58
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Ummm, I AM elijah! I changed my name to Whaleboy almost exactly a year ago . See on the thread, my responses are now listed under Whaleboy.

You called on me and I screwed you over... did you even read my post on the second page? (the one after which you never responded). You had completely misrepresented my position and I (among others) let you know it!

	26-10-2004 22:04									#59
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Edited to protect the innocent.

In any event he wrote the Liberals always use logic and reason to arrive at their political views while conservatives always use fear and hate to arrive at their political views. I called him a liar and I said both use fear, hate, logic, and reason. He flip flopped and tried to pretend a straw man occured when in reality he simply retracted what he had already said.

Serve, point, match.

	26-10-2004 22:06									#60
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whaleoy=elijah=thale?!!!!

I voted for Bush just to p1ss off all you pinko commie and librotarians...!!