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Ned
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of Aptos, CA
Oct 1999
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Drach, and fellow Kerry adorers: Kerry long ago lost any possible support of the UN military which his Genghis Khan remarks before Congress. He lost the support of the average American who supported the concept of "Peace with Honor" rather than surrender. He has shown himself in this election to be a scumbag liar of extraordinay gaul. How this man could possibly unite American and lead the US military is beyond reason.
I wouldn't be surprised if the US military en masse went on the equivalent of a strike if this puke was elected. You would see morale drop and resignations accelerate as you could not imagine. Kerry would have to institute a draft in order to keep the military afloat as no one would voluntarily follow him.
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Tansi (USA)
Nov 2001
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Originally posted by Drachasor
Questions:
Do you think Saddam had WMD? |
Had? Yes. When we went in? Yes. Now? No.
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Originally posted by Drachasor
What did the 9/11 Commission say about Iraq and Al Qaeda? |
No link.
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Do you think Bush is more fiscally responsible than Kerry? |
No more, no less. Not an issue for me. The government is going to spend regardless. I've given up on this one.
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Originally posted by Drachasor
Do you think Bush will be better able to rally allies behind us than Kerry? |
I'm more concerned with how Kerry would rally allies. Is he going to risk our competitive economic and military advantage? I don't believe America should worry about this, at least as long as there are people in Europe, and the world, who want to make money.
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Do you think Bush is better able to unite the country than Kerry? |
Not an issue. Bush wins, Kerry makes concession speech, and life settles down. Kerry wins, Bush makes concession speech, headlines until Kerry inauguration, and life settles down.
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Do you think that Bush is better able to listen to and take into account constructive criticism than Kerry? |
This tract really is ridiculous. No incumbent would ever in his/her right mind admit directly an error in judgement during an election year. There were many criticisms of the US government and allies in post-WWII Germany. There is never a perfect way for such things. As long as the person isn't punching a hole in the wall when criticized, I could care less about how someone takes criticism.
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Do you think Bush's administration is more honest than Kerry's would be? Do you think Bush's campaign has been more honest? -Drachasor |
No more honest, no less honest. Right now Kerry's campaign is attempting to smear Bush over the missing explosives in Iraq, when they know full well that the explosives were missing before US forces went in. Re: WMDs in Iraq, if the leader of my country used information that was not accurate (knowingly or unkowingly) I'm okay with that. There are times that the "ends justify the means." I prefer my enemies cautious and nervous, rather than comfortable and plotting.
If Kerry was the President, and challenged by Bush, with the same issues flying around, I would have voted for Kerry.
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Drachasor
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Do you think Saddam had WMD? |
No.
At the time of the invasion virtually every intel agency in the world of any note believed he did. High ranking Iraqis believed he did. There is no relevance to that question. |
Funny that we ignored France (and some others) that doubted we'd find anything. Funny that we ignored our own intelligence that indicated there was nothing. Funny that we absolutely trusted reports that were based on hypothetical projections when there were inspectors on the ground that could have guaranteed a conclusion. Oh, and if Iraq had been moving stuff around, our surviellance was good enough to help the inspectors track such things down. Instead of having patience and investigating the matter, we went to war. There was no rush. Under such scrutiny Iraq was contained and couldn't do anything. Additionally the sanctions were going to remain (all countries on the Security Council wanted them to remain). any holes in the Oil for Food program could have been fixed.
There was no rush, no rush at all.
If you ignore their report that there is no evidence of any collaboration between Iraq and Al Qaeda, then sure, I guess there is "virtually nothing."
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Originally posted by Drachasor
Do you think Bush is more fiscally responsible than Kerry? |
Yes |
Is this because Bush has no plans to balance the budget and Kerry does? Is this because Bush wants to increase our debt by more than 3 trillion dollars and Kerry wants to minimize the increase and reduce the debt as much as possible? Bush has said he wants to reduce the deficit, but he has offered no plan as to how that is to happen; Kerry has.
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Do you think Bush will be better able to rally allies behind us than Kerry? |
The question is whether I believe Kerry will act when necessary without endless discussions with 'allies' such as France. The answer, NO. |
And when has this occurred with Bush? When haven't we had time for more talk than what has happened?
Afghanistan is just about the only answer, and Kerry would have done the same thing, though with better execution and more troops staying in Afghanistan near the end.
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Do you think Bush is better able to unite the country than Kerry? |
Unite? In what way? 40+ % hate Bush and 40+ % hate Kerry. The remainder will decide the election. |
And who got us here? Who made the nation and the world so divided over how the U.S. was handling things? Who took one of the most unifying moments in U.S. history (9/11) and turned the next three years into the most divisive?
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Do you think that Bush is better able to listen to and take into account constructive criticism than Kerry? |
How would anyone know that? We dont get to sit in at the cabinet meetings. Perhaps you mean, "Who is more likely to lead based upon voter polls as opposed to leadership based upon his own and advisors judgement "? |
The fact that the Bush administration continually silences and marginalizes desenters, to the point of not even allowing scientists a part of any executive sanction comittee if they disagree with the President on any issues (no President in anything close to recent history has done this), might be a clue that one group is worse than another. They marginalize generals, civil workers, and anyone else that disagrees with the administrative line. They refuse to listen to such viewpoints, which is one major reason why we don't have enough troops in Iraq. They also refuse to listen to the countries involved in the 6-way 'talks' with North Korea when they want 2-way talks to start.
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Do you think Bush's administration is more honest than Kerry's would be? Do you think Bush's campaign has been more honest? |
Its Kerry's honesty, not anyones campaign or administration, that's the issue.
Is Bush more honest than Kerry? Well, he'd have to be. I cant find anything to make me believe that Kerry is honest about anything except his overwhelming desire to be the president. |
Well, you haven't looked into things. Factcheck.org, a site recommended by Cheney, clearly indicates that Kerry lies a lot less and in less severity than Bush:
http://apolyton.net/forums/showthre...448#post3369448
http://apolyton.net/forums/showthre...523#post3369523
Bush, on the other hand not only does the above, but has Karl Rove in the employ, a man known for his win-at-all costs attitude. He spread lies in the South saying that McCain was homosexual in the 2000 primaries. He spread pictures of McCain's adopted Nigerian daughter (who is black) in the South, only stating that she was McCain's daughter. He deliberately stirs up the worst aspects of the human psyche in order to win campaigns. This is Bush's campaign manager, a man that Bush trusts. It speaks of a lack of ethics and lack of a moral judgement.
-Drachasor
Edit: Links fixed
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Drachasor
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Dojoboy, all evidence and all reports indicated that Saddam had NO WMDs when we went in.
The Bush Administration has ever so reluctantly admitted this, when pressed, and quickly sifted focus as to why we went in to other reasons it didn't talk about much before.
-Drachasor
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