31-10-2004 15:45									#121
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quote: I think everyone is trying to see this in whatever light supports their candidate.

Since I won't be voting for either, I'd say the OBL tape helps Bush. It focuses Americans on terrorism and as illogical as that seems, that helps Bush since the polls show he's way ahead on that issue.

	31-10-2004 15:46									#122
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quote: Originally posted by Berzerker Since I won't be voting for either, I'd say the OBL tape helps Bush. It focuses Americans on terrorism and as illogical as that seems, that helps Bush since the polls show he's way ahead on that issue.

I just thought it was tasteless by both side but I understand why they said what they said.

	31-10-2004 20:02									#123
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The whole "OBL wants the OTHER guy to win" stuff is rediculous and I comend the people who have said it will have no effect on how they vote. I will give you 3 reasons.

Just because OBL is the "Enemy" dose not mean that doing the opposite of what he wants is (outside of the obvious stuff like not letting him kill us in large numbers) is nessarily good for us. Its much like saying the Palistinians should KEEP Arrafat as their leader because Sharon is trying to get rid of him (unfortunatly that precisly how most people think).

OBL has been very wrong in judging American reactions to his terrorist attacks in the past so why would he be any better at predicting other things, he reportedly though we would not respond to 9/11 or might colapse like the Soviet Union. Any logical person can see he has his Turban on too tight and his judgments should be questioned.

OBL is not (as far as we know) a Registered Voter in Florida, Pensyvania or Ohio and will thus have absolutly no effect on the outcome of the election.

	31-10-2004 21:16									#124
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quote: Originally posted by Natalinasmpf Of course it is. *spits on Reagan's grave*

go **** yourself

	31-10-2004 21:20									#125
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quote: Originally posted by Impaler[WrG] The whole "OBL wants the OTHER guy to win" stuff is rediculous and I comend the people who have said it will have no effect on how they vote. I will give you 3 reasons. Just because OBL is the "Enemy" dose not mean that doing the opposite of what he wants is (outside of the obvious stuff like not letting him kill us in large numbers) is nessarily good for us. Its much like saying the Palistinians should KEEP Arrafat as their leader because Sharon is trying to get rid of him (unfortunatly that precisly how most people think). OBL has been very wrong in judging American reactions to his terrorist attacks in the past so why would he be any better at predicting other things, he reportedly though we would not respond to 9/11 or might colapse like the Soviet Union. Any logical person can see he has his Turban on too tight and his judgments should be questioned. OBL is not (as far as we know) a Registered Voter in Florida, Pensyvania or Ohio and will thus have absolutly no effect on the outcome of the election.

Basically Bin Laden just wants attention, he wants to world to know how valuable his opinon is.

I think next he is making an appearance on day time talk show The View to discuss which tampon is the best.

	31-10-2004 21:20									#126
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quote: Originally posted by Natalinasmpf So you mean they artificially produce Goldstein's messages? That would mean the Two Minutes Hate mass media is a concocted scheme! So the entire Eurasian terror threat is artificial?

You know, I was having the same thoughts run through my head.

The whole situation does have a touch of Orwellian undertones, doesn't it?

	01-11-2004 01:23									#127
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quote: Originally posted by Guynemer You know, I was having the same thoughts run through my head. The whole situation does have a touch of Orwellian undertones, doesn't it?

still like good little sheep people in america will believe the bul**it they've been told by Bush and pals.

But dont worry, myself and most british people will consider it returning the favour for your help in WWII, when we come and liberate america from the orwellian nightmare it is creating for itself

We wont forget the freedoms you once enjoyed

	01-11-2004 01:24									#128
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I love Big Brother.

	01-11-2004 01:26									#129
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quote: Originally posted by Guynemer I love Big Brother.

i find it the most inane thing on tv - ever. I just cant watch it!

	01-11-2004 02:24									#130
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quote: Originally posted by Berzerker Since I won't be voting for either...

I remember asking you on ICQ four years ago if you'd rather vote for Bush or Gore if there weren't any other options.

You replied 'Death is not an option?'

	01-11-2004 03:48									#131
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quote: Originally posted by Berzerker Since I won't be voting for either, I'd say the OBL tape helps Bush. It focuses Americans on terrorism and as illogical as that seems, that helps Bush since the polls show he's way ahead on that issue.

In a Documentation which came just on TV,
a pakistan Reporter who has ties to Al Quaeda said,
that the Iraq War helped Al Quaeda a lot.
Before the Iraq War it was hard for Al Quaeda to find new Recruits,
after the war, there were no more Problems, as plenty of recruits showed up, even in Iraq.

If OBL shares this view,
Bush might only benefit his cause,
and therefore in this case might be intendeed to help Bush

	01-11-2004 15:16									#132
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quote: go **** yourself

*bombs Reagan's grave some more*

	02-11-2004 04:05									#133
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Apparently, the translation wasn't quite right.

Now, granted, this is from the NY Post, but the translations come from the MEMRI

quote: November 1, 2004 -- WASHINGTON - Osama bin Laden warned in his October Surprise video that he will be closely monitoring the state-by-state election returns in tomorrow's presidential race — and will spare any state that votes against President Bush from being attacked, according to a new analysis of his statement. The respected Middle East Media Research Institute, which monitors and translates Arabic media and Internet sites, said initial translations of a key portion of bin Laden's video rant to the American people Friday night missed an ostentatious bid by the Saudi-born terror master to divide American voters and tilt the election towards Democratic challenger John Kerry. MEMRI said radical Islamist commentators monitored over the Internet this past weekend also interpreted the key passage of bin Laden's diatribe to mean that any U.S. state that votes to elect Bush on Tuesday will be considered an "enemy" and any state that votes for Kerry has "chosen to make peace with us." The statement in question is when bin Laden said on the tape: "Your security is up to you, and any state that does not toy with our security automatically guarantees its own security." That sentence followed a lengthy passage in the video in which bin Laden launches personal attacks on the president. Yigal Carmon, president of MEMRI, said bin Laden used the Arabic term "ay-wilaya" to refer to a "state" in that sentence. That term "specifically refers to an American state, like Tennessee," Carmon said, adding that if bin Laden were referring to a "country" he would have used the Arabic word "dawla." MEMRI also translated an analysis of bin Laden's statement from the Islamist Web site al-Qal'a, well known for posting al-Qaeda messages, which agreed that bin Laden's use of the word "ay-wilaya" was meant as a "warning to every U.S state separately." "It means that any U.S. state that will choose to vote for the white thug Bush as president, it means that it chose to fight us and we will consider it an enemy to us, and any state that will vote against Bush, it means that it chose to make peace with us and we will not characterize it as an enemy," the Web site said, according to MEMRI's translation.

Now...maybe I'm silly, I don't know...but does Bin Laden know that New York and Los Angeles are both in states that will vote for Kerry? Same goes for Washington D.C. What, exactly, does he hope to gain by attacking Boise or Charleston?

	02-11-2004 04:17									#134
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I guess after 911 he doesn't feel the need for another 'symbolic' target? So Texas could be ripe for a visit from obl? all those poor beef herds

	02-11-2004 07:58									#135
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Mommy, daddy, what is hubris?

	02-11-2004 08:05									#136
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This is absurd. He's going to start attacking rural areas and suburbs now?

What a dope.

	02-11-2004 08:12									#137
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The fact that he sent a video tape instead of an airliner this time around speaks volumes.

	02-11-2004 08:55									#138
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Um, hi, Mr. Monk. Sorry to interrupt, but I just thought I'd let you know that every attack that has been made by Al-Qaeda recently has been preceeded few days prior by a videotape or audiotape. I think that any volumes that are spoken are that Al Qaeda is still a threat. Bali, Mombasa, and Casablanca were all preceeded by tapes. IIRC, so was 9/11.

	02-11-2004 09:33									#139
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quote: Originally posted by Natalinasmpf quote: go **** yourself *bombs Reagan's grave some more*

I'm sure if you do it enough times you'll solve the Riemann Hypothesis.


*points at the little girl and laughs*

	02-11-2004 22:17									#140
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What do you mean I will?

I HAVE.

	02-11-2004 23:26									#141
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the most interesting part was this:

"You can observe it practically, if you wish, in Kenya and Tanzania and in Aden. And you can read it in my interview with Abdul Bari Atwan, as well as my interviews with Robert Fisk.


The latter is one of your compatriots and co-religionists and I consider him to be neutral. So are the pretenders of freedom at The White House and the channels controlled by them able to run an interview with him? So that he may relay to the American people what he has understood from us to be the reasons for our fight against you?"