03-11-2004 12:55									#511
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They called OH for Bush and they don't want to call Bush the winner.

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quote: It's Bush 249 - Kerry 242

That's what I said.

	03-11-2004 12:55									#513
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quote: Originally posted by The Mad Monk code: George W. Bush (REP)* 54,046,145 51% 269 John F. Kerry (DEM) 50,308,047 48% 211 Ralph Nader (IND) 368,902 0% 0

the one set of numbers few people really want to talk about

	03-11-2004 12:55									#514
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Wisconsin is going to get really close. Kerry leads 19k (<½%), 89% votes counted. I checked out the precincts invididually, and got a 20k advantage to Bush (Kerry stronghold votes already counted).

	03-11-2004 12:55									#515
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quote: Originally posted by joncha Yes, that's right. Should they just be thrown out, then?

I'm wondering why they aren't counting them starting tomorrow?

Maybe verifying legitimacy?

What I can say is that for a modern democracy to not be able to determine a winner by the end of the night is... a little bit strange.

Is the right of one person to vote, who couldn't be bothered to register properly and show up at the right station, important enough to hold up the government of your nation of 300,000,000 for 2 weeks?

	03-11-2004 12:56									#516
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quote: Originally posted by Kalius That's what I said.

cough *eventis* cough

	03-11-2004 12:56									#517
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quote: Originally posted by Sprayber the one set of numbers few people really want to talk about

You can say that again.

	03-11-2004 12:58									#518
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Kerry shouldn't push it. All candidates except Gore have conceded with much closer races. See Nixon.

	03-11-2004 12:59									#519
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Given the popular vote George W. Bush should continue to be President, however if we followed the popular vote Al Gore would be the incumbent, so...

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O' well, four more years of easy targets of hatred

Let's hope they recycle the cabinet a little bit, though. I think Keyes needs a seat of some kind, hopefully big-level.

	03-11-2004 12:59									#521
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Especially see Nixon.

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quote: Originally posted by notyoueither The guys on CNN said the prov ballots in Ohio won't be counted for 11 days, unless I misunderstood something. That sounds like dragging it out to me.

Yes, but its the Republican Secretary of State in Ohio who's asking people to wait eleven days before he can give an exact count not Kerry.

	03-11-2004 13:01									#523
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No, he said that was the law.

	03-11-2004 13:01									#524
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I heard that the cabinet is going to be total different on Bush 2nd term

	03-11-2004 13:01									#525
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quote: Originally posted by Sprayber the one set of numbers few people really want to talk about

They'd have a little more meaning if studies didn't show that Bush supporters didn't have their facts straight on Iraq, Al Qaeda, and other issues. I'd feel a lot more comfortable with the election if by and large people had understood the issues, but this simply isn't the case.

Jefferson was right, lack of education is the largest problem a democracy faces.


Anyhow, I was a bit shocked when I heard on the news that the Republicans are excited about being able to pass even more tax cuts and drill in the Alaskan Wildlife Preserve now that they control even more of the House and Senate.

Whoever thought the debt was going to be addressed by Bush going to be eating their words.

-Drachasor

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quote: Originally posted by Sprayber the one set of numbers few people really want to talk about

Yeah, when all is said and done Bush is likely to be up about 3 million votes.

	03-11-2004 13:04									#527
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quote: Originally posted by Oerdin Yeah, when all is said and done Bush is likely to be up about 3 million votes.

More likely 4 million. Time to get rid of your archaic electoral system, methinks.

	03-11-2004 13:04									#528
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Keep an eye on Wisconsin. The gap is 19,000 in Kerry's favor with a quarter million ballots left to count.

If it switches to Bush, Ohio may become a non-issue.

	03-11-2004 13:06									#529
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Does it bother anyone that Bush didn't appeal to moderates but instead to his more right-wing base?

At least if things are relatively centered than everyone is more content, relatively.

I sort of feel this is going to lead to relative tyranny by a slim majority (if that--given voter misunderstandings).

-Drachasor

	03-11-2004 13:06									#530
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140K for Bush in Ohio now. 30K for Bush in NM. Does Kerry have any class?

	03-11-2004 13:06									#531
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quote: Originally posted by The Mad Monk Keep an eye on Wisconsin. The gap is 19,000 in Kerry's favor with a quarter million ballots left to count. If it switches to Bush, Ohio may become a non-issue.

Exactly.

	03-11-2004 13:07									#532
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quote: Originally posted by Drachasor They'd have a little more meaning if studies didn't show that Bush supporters didn't have their facts straight on Iraq, Al Qaeda, and other issues. I'd feel a lot more comfortable with the election if by and large people had understood the issues, but this simply isn't the case. Jefferson was right, lack of education is the largest problem a democracy faces.

You blamed everyone except the man running. It can't be him that is wrong, it has to be all those ignorant backwards people that voted for Bush.

	03-11-2004 13:08									#533
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quote: Originally posted by Lawrence of Arabia why isnt fox news calling NM for Bush, he has a 30,000 vote lead with 99% counted? they are scared to declare bush a winner

There are a huge number of absentee and early votes which may not have been tabulated in New Mexico, IIRC something like 40% of the total.

	03-11-2004 13:09									#534
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the latimes has called both NV and NM. on another note, the libertarian party crashed out of this one, recieving less than 1% of the vote in everystate.

	03-11-2004 13:09									#535
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quote: Originally posted by Lawrence of Arabia why isnt fox news calling NM for Bush, he has a 30,000 vote lead with 99% counted? they are scared to declare bush a winner

The short anwser is... Yes.

	03-11-2004 13:09									#536
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quote: Originally posted by Sprayber You blamed everyone except the man running. It can't be him that is wrong, it has to be all those ignorant backwards people that voted for Bush.

You might be able to dismiss it as a baseless attack if there wasnt proof that Bush voters tend to be ignorant