03-11-2004 12:31									#481
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The Kerry, Edwards team is not going to concede the election just yet. Just heard them on Fox News.

	03-11-2004 12:31									#482
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yah

another night

JM

	03-11-2004 12:32									#483
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	03-11-2004 12:34									#484
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Oh my, a difference of 120.000 votes, and still Kerry won't give up. That's quiet a difference situation then 4 years ago when Florida got a 537 difference.

This really makes Kerry a sore loser.

	03-11-2004 12:35									#485
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quote: Originally posted by The Mad Monk Kerry just gave his "I'm not dead yet" speech.

Actually Edwards gave it for him.

	03-11-2004 12:36									#486
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CNN is calling Ohio too close to call (because of provisional and absentee ballots, which could be up to 600,000), and have given Hawaii, Michigan and Minnesota to Kerry, making it 249 - 242 Bush.

	03-11-2004 12:36									#487
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Four more years of Bush... the mind boggles. What a disaster.

	03-11-2004 12:36									#488
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Just realized -- stupid radio. :clueless:

	03-11-2004 12:38									#489
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. . .

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quote: Originally posted by Harry Tuttle They do, but like I said in one of the other threads, the underlying issues have changed drastically. I can only see a new shift for the Democratic Party to a more moderate stance.

Specifically what issues are you speaking about? The only one I can think of which isn't dead center is gay marriage. What position are you claiming is so extreme?

	03-11-2004 12:40									#491
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In other news the people of California have OKed $3 billion dollars for stem cell research. They really are against Bush's effective ban on stem cell research and are willing to fund this research for the good of humanity.

We also decided to create a DNA data base for all convicted felons, mandated that more tax money be kept in the cities & counties instead of the state house, voted against legalizing gambling, allowed new bonds for building new hospitals, and best of all we voted for limiting frivolous lawsuits.

Still to close to call is the proposition requiring all employers with 15 or more employees to give their workers health insurance, changing the three strikes law so that it only applies to violent offenders, and a law which would allow open primaries for all parties. I voted for all three of those and I hope they pass.

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quote: Originally posted by CyberShy Oh my, a difference of 120.000 votes, and still Kerry won't give up. That's quiet a difference situation then 4 years ago when Florida got a 537 difference. This really makes Kerry a sore loser.

Yes.

	03-11-2004 12:42									#493
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quote: In other news the people of California have OKed $3 billion dollars for stem cell research. They really are against Bush's effective ban on stem cell research and are willing to fund this research for the good of humanity.

That rocks. The Biotech and Pharma industry in California is very strong, and hopefully will continue to be because of bill such as these

	03-11-2004 12:43									#494
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quote: Originally posted by Oerdin In other news the people of California have OKed $3 billion dollars for stem cell research. They really are against Bush's effective ban on stem cell research and are willing to fund this research for the good of humanity.

Aint a vibrant democracy a *****?

	03-11-2004 12:44									#495
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quote: Originally posted by notyoueither Yes.

I wouldn't call Kerry a sore loser yet. Once we have an idea of how many of these provisional ballots there are, and it becomes clear that he can't win, he should concede.

If he tries to drag this on for a month like Gore, it's another story.

	03-11-2004 12:44									#496
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quote: Originally posted by Kalius CNN is calling Ohio too close to call (because of provisional and absentee ballots, which could be up to 600,000), and have given Hawaii, Michigan and Minnesota to Kerry, making it 249 - 242 Bush.

It's Bush 249 - Kerry 242

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quote: Originally posted by Jaguar I wouldn't call Kerry a sore loser yet. Once we have an idea of how many of these provisional ballots there are, and it becomes clear that he can't win, he should concede. If he tries to drag this on for a month like Gore, it's another story.

How many ballots would there have to be for him to stand more than a snowball's chance in hell of overcoming a 100,000 vote deficit?

	03-11-2004 12:46									#498
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Wisconsin is really close. If Bush picks up Wisconsin, Iowa, and New Mexico, Ohio won't matter.

	03-11-2004 12:47									#499
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quote: Originally posted by CyberShy Oh my, a difference of 120.000 votes, and still Kerry won't give up. That's quiet a difference situation then 4 years ago when Florida got a 537 difference. This really makes Kerry a sore loser.

Not so much.

There are:

A) at least 175,000 provisional ballots
B) probably 300,000
C) as many as 600,000.

If 2/3 of them are democratic votes Kerry has A) lost, B) faint hope or C) a pretty good chance.

We shall see.

	03-11-2004 12:47									#500
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quote: Originally posted by notyoueither How many ballots would there have to be for him to stand more than a snowball's chance in hell of overcoming a 100,000 vote deficit?

Of course he doesn't have a snowball's chance of hell. But it's not as if he's dragging it out for months. We don't even know the EC tally yet. Several states are still in the air.

	03-11-2004 12:47									#501
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quote: Originally posted by Urban Ranger It's Bush 249 - Kerry 242

ABC says it's 249-225, Bush

ACK!

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quote: Originally posted by Jaguar Of course he doesn't have a snowball's chance of hell. But it's not as if he's dragging it out for months. We don't even know the EC tally yet. Several states are still in the air.

The guys on CNN said the prov ballots in Ohio won't be counted for 11 days, unless I misunderstood something.

That sounds like dragging it out to me.

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quote: Originally posted by notyoueither The guys on CNN said the prov ballots in Ohio won't be counted for 11 days, unless I misunderstood something. That sounds like dragging it out to me.

Yes, that's right. Should they just be thrown out, then?

	03-11-2004 12:50									#504
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quote: Originally posted by joncha Yes, that's right. Should they just be thrown out, then?

Should be counted sooner perhaps?

	03-11-2004 12:51									#505
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Bush looks to be ahead by four million in the total popular vote.

	03-11-2004 12:51									#506
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quote: Originally posted by notyoueither The guys on CNN said the prov ballots in Ohio won't be counted for 11 days, unless I misunderstood something. That sounds like dragging it out to me.

Hm, you would wait it out to if you were Kerry.

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quote: Originally posted by Oerdin In other news the people of California have OKed $3 billion dollars for stem cell research. They really are against Bush's effective ban on stem cell research and are willing to fund this research for the good of humanity.

First good news of the night.

	03-11-2004 12:52									#508
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quote: Originally posted by Sprayber Should be counted sooner perhaps?

Sounds good to me.

	03-11-2004 12:53									#509
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code:
George W. Bush (REP)*                54,046,145 51% 269 
John F. Kerry (DEM)                  50,308,047 48% 211 
Ralph Nader (IND)                    368,902   0% 0 

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why isnt fox news calling NM for Bush, he has a 30,000 vote lead with 99% counted? they are scared to declare bush a winner