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I predict that by 2008, Malevolent Light will be begging me to trade him one Euro for 2 dollars.

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The planes were a message of His.


Yes, well, America sure is bad at reading those things

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Chief Justice of the Supreme Court John Ashcroft.


That's not even funny.

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Where's the 2000ish Prediction Thread? I tried to search the archive for "predict" and "prediction" and "forecast" but nothing came up. I'm sure everyone's predictions came true there since everyone's a psychic or a fan of one.

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We lost all the threads from that time, IIRC.

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That assumes there will be any centrists left in their party.


Where else would they go? The only thing a centrist might not like bout the Democratic party is that it's too much to the right.

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That assumes there will be any centrists left in their party.


You just elected a Senator who believes that lesbianism is so rampant in Oklahoma schools, girls go to bathroom one at a time, who believes that blacks are genetic predispositioned to having a lower life expectency, who believes that abortionists should get the death penalty, and you're talking about the lack of centrism in the Democratic Party?

Thats a bunch of made up Democratic propoganda.

We elected Dr Coburn because he's very anti-Pork Barrel and extremely conservative on government spending.

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That assumes there will be any centrists left in their party.


I can say the same thing for the Republicans in 10 years, when Olympia Snowe, Lincoln Chafee, and only moderate Republicans left resign because they've gotten so old.

We'll all have to be content as independants.

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Originally posted by DAVOUT
Letter from a European to his American friends

I don’t want to wait any more to congratulate you. Not only I understand and approve that when the whole world keeps telling you what sort of president to elect, you choose the opposite, but frankly I would have done the same. As a matter of fact, I did the same when I re-elected Charles De Gaulle in the past (Well, Charles De Gaulle was not exactly made of the same stuff as G.W.B., but he did bother some people abroad too).

But this decision of yours is also the correct one because it gives a chance to G.W. Bush to pursue the pre-emptive war he has started in Iraq, and ultimately to collect the glory he deserves. Giving such an opportunity to Kerry would have been specially unfair.

If another reason was necessary to justify the re-election of G.W.B., I would mention the budget deficit, the manageability of which, once demonstrated, would give to him a leading position on the list of applicants for the next Swedish economy prize.

I am also impressed by the observation that G.W.B. receives direct advice from God, which is a unique asset for a government. With the notable exception of Joan of Arc, we have never been able, on this side of the ocean, to durably secure His assistance, and He knows nevertheless than we could have use it more than once.

I wish you, my dear American friends, to enjoy as much as you can the next four years which will be the last presided by G.W.B.

Friendly yours,

DAVOUT

P.S. : Next time your President get in touch with God, could he be so nice as to suggest that He allocates some blessings to the EU, with one being specifically earmarked for France. Thanks.


Excellent

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Maybe this will help facilitate a multi-party system, but that is unlikely.

This does portend the much more rapid decline of American prestige and influence in the rest of the world. America was simply not trusted under Bush, and not that it looks like Bush has be confirmed as "what America wants" then America simply won't be trusted at all. Errent spending and bad military policy will weaken us greatly; we will be in ever more massive debt with little way out and have an over-extended military. All this will lead to the U.S. not being much worse off relative to where it could have been; fewer resources, few or no true allies, less military reach.

The world will move on without us though. Honestly, however, it does make me consider leaving the country and living in Europe (my fiance' is greatly upset too). I am torn between my desire to live in a country in which I have confidence and my partiotic duty to try to improve the nation.

I am not sure when the political situation in America will change. It is possible we will enter into a cycle of violence between us and the Middle East, but certain we will be in quite adversarial positions for a long time. If there are more terrorist attacks, then Bush might be able to successfully claim they were inevitable, and one might see a long term U.S.-ME violence cycle much like the Isreal-Palestine one; this would ensure more Bush-like presidents and views. Hopefully this can be avoided, but I can see it going either way.

-Drachasor

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Is Europe now going to pick up the ball and take it's place as the leader of the free world?


No leaders any more. No hyperpowers. In about 25 years or so that is.

Inevitable, but the attitudes of the rest of the world toward the US are becoming crystallised right now, and I think people in the US are going to regret what they've done. Not easing into their retirement gracefully. Causing a lot of resentment. Going to make things very hard for them in the future.

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That's not even funny.


Ha ha.

I get to leave. You're here forever.

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Drachasor:
You and your girlfriend are welcome here

(considering both of you are highly skilled, that you have a satisfying income and won't leech off of the welfare system, that you speak the local language of the country you want in, that you are able to put with our bureaucracy, and that you can show shame about the US whenever requested)

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Thats a bunch of made up Democratic propoganda.


No, it isn't. For instance:

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Coburn is traditional conservative, opposing abortion except in rare cases to save the life of the mother and advocating tax cuts and limited government.

On the death penalty, he said: "I favor the death penalty for abortionists and other people who take life."


http://www.fox23.com/news/state/sto...D3-DC274E134AF4

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Originally posted by Spiffor
The planes were a message of His.


Don't forget the steel girders in the shape of a cross in the ruins. The girders melted for our sins.

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quote:
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Chief Justice of the Supreme Court John Ashcroft.

Dear God.

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Drachasor:
You and your girlfriend are welcome here

(considering both of you are highly skilled, that you have a satisfying income and won't leech off of the welfare system, that you speak the local language of the country you want in, that you are able to put with our bureaucracy, and that you can show shame about the US whenever requested)




Thanks. I'd probably push for more pragmatism in social policies over there (I agree with the ends, but I don't think the means have been very well thought out much of the time). Everything can be improved.

I am going to finish up my physics major at least before I go out of the country* though, and probably my Ph.D. too. I hear Michigan doesn't have a bad program.

-Drachasor

*Assuming I go out of the country.

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I don't get what's so specifically bad about the 'death penalty for abortionists' thing. I mean, I oppose death penalty and think that abortions before 4th-5th months should be allowed, but if someone believes that abortion is murder and death penalty is a good penalty for murder, then what should keep them from combining these two beliefs?

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A position being logically consistent doesn't mean it is an acceptable position for a US Senator to hold.

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That's not even funny.


Really?

I find that comforting.

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I don't get what's so specifically bad about the 'death penalty for abortionists' thing. I mean, I oppose death penalty and think that abortions before 4th-5th months should be allowed, but if someone believes that abortion is murder and death penalty is a good penalty for murder, then what should keep them from combining these two beliefs?


That's a good question.

I'd oppose such a bill, because I'm opposed to the death penalty, but there are many prolifers who would support such a bill.

There's no good reason not to combine both together, because the death penalty is a separate issue from abortion.

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I'm gonna dig out my copy of Bruce Sterling's "Distraction" and have a new read through his tale of 2030's post-economic collapse America.

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An optimistic view would be Bush will learn from the first term, improve his international policy and address the budget deficit. That means revamping his cabinet and listening more to advice.

The pessimistic view would be more of the same, which should give the Democrats a good shot in 2008 if they can find a competitive candidate.

On Iraq, the message seems to be you got us into this, you get us out of it. How that is handled will have a big bearing on Bush's place in history, as will his management of the economy, where there is some risk of a global recession.

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Inevitable, but the attitudes of the rest of the world toward the US are becoming crystallised right now, and I think people in the US are going to regret what they've done. Not easing into their retirement gracefully. Causing a lot of resentment. Going to make things very hard for them in the future.


Yep. Americans don't realize that everything that foreigners love about America originates from liberal America.

We hate crackers as much as the next guy.

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Then it could be Arnold vs Mad Albright in 2008. The Krauts are taking over!


Hitler has won!!1!

except that Arhnie can't be president w/o a constitutional re-write...

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Hitler has won!!1!

except that Arhnie can't be president w/o a constitutional re-write...


According to Left-Leaning sources, that will happen by 2012.

-Drachasor

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If they try and stay after such an event, they lose legtimacy even with their handful of allies, and Iraq explodes in a paraoxysm of anti-American violence that makes this summer look tame.


Nah. Iraq has served it's political purpose. We'll set up a 'democratic' goverment, declare that the war is won, and get the hell outta dodge, no matter what the country looks like at the time.

Sound familiar?

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Four years ago, did anyone expect things to have gotten as bad as they have done? Granted, the September 11 attacks were the catalyst, but now Bush has arguably as much kudos from his electoral triumph as from the terrorist attacks.

I expect:

More economically unsound tax cuts and spending increases.

Same with the draft, although the whispers will become serious arguments. The right-wing media will begin to quietly advance the case for the draft. At least one senior figure in the Republican Party will come out and support it.

At least two more wars. The Bush government is addicted to them, and they've already 'blooded' the American people with the Iraq campaign. At least one of the wars will be in the Western hemisphere.

The ultra-conservative tendency will achieve 'critical mass' and establish itself for two or more generations, regardless of the 2008 election.

Trans-Atlantic relations will continue to sour, with more trade disputes than ever. The American Right will continue to spew lies about the Oil-for-Food 'scandal', despite the lack of evidence.

A senior Republican will suggest that "we should take Armageddon seriously".

More anti-gay stuff, especially in the schools.

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No leaders any more. No hyperpowers. In about 25 years or so that is.

Inevitable, but the attitudes of the rest of the world toward the US are becoming crystallised right now, and I think people in the US are going to regret what they've done. Not easing into their retirement gracefully. Causing a lot of resentment. Going to make things very hard for them in the future.


I remember the exact same things when Reagan was elected. And reelected.

OTOH I also recall europeans mystified at the impeachment of Richard Nixon.

This too shall pass.

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Four years ago, did anyone expect things to have gotten as bad as they have done? Granted, the September 11 attacks were the catalyst, but now Bush has arguably as much kudos from his electoral triumph as from the terrorist attacks.

I expect:

More economically unsound tax cuts and spending increases. Whispers about defaulting on America's debt start,
here.

 
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