18-11-2004 20:46									#421
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quote: Originally posted by MOBIUS After all this time I'm sure they can wait another 20 years - about the time when the arab citizens inside Israel outnumber the Jewish ones... That is assuming Israel is a proper equal rights democracy...

Better wipe that drool from your face, terrorist fanboy, and do them numbers again.

	18-11-2004 20:58									#422
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quote: Yes, and Sherman and his whole army infiltrated Atlanta in civilian clothes, yes?

Um no. The army was dressed in military garb when they entered Atlanta.

quote: The atomic bombs would have had about the same effect on the Japanese population. That being zero.

It's funny that they surrendered after the second one .

quote: To the extent that this created widespread despair and weakened southern resolve to fight, by no means.

Actually there is some evidence that Sherman's March to the Sea was the straw that broke the camel's back. It was that which showed the South that it was over.

quote: Hiroshima, Nagasaki, we in America would like to think this was THE defining event that forced Japan to surrender. However it is also just as likely that the declaration of war and rapid advances made by the Soviets in the China theatre let the emporer know the gig was up. I think it more likely the combination of the two. But in of itself ineffective without boots on the ground threats.

I don't think so. I believe the bombs themselves where what did it. They realized they couldn't go up against a super-weapon like that anymore.

	18-11-2004 23:39									#423
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui Actually there is some evidence that Sherman's March to the Sea was the straw that broke the camel's back. It was that which showed the South that it was over.

We going to have to agree to disagree. Were it not for the fact that the confederacy was already demoralized from conventional losses in battle and in territorial holding, this tactic would merely have enraged the south. The confederacy was on its last legs and teh rebels were determined to see it through as long as a viable armed contingency could be fielded. Shermans march merely made the ability to field a viable army that much more unlikely.

quote: I don't think so. I believe the bombs themselves where what did it. They realized they couldn't go up against a super-weapon like that anymore.

Again the point was only in Japans death throws could this even be considered to be a viable tactic (and I'm not so convinced that it was the threat of the uber weapons as much as the knowing that the Ruskies were kicking their a$$ in China) But for arguement sake lets say it was the threat of complete anhialation via uber weapons of destruction coupled with the inevitable understanding they had no means to win.

There is a clear dif between the expectation that these tactics are effective against an Civilians of the enemy with no hope of winning as compared to Pals vs. Israel (who is not in any way cowed by these actions)

	18-11-2004 23:47									#424
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui Actually there is some evidence that Sherman's March to the Sea was the straw that broke the camel's back. It was that which showed the South that it was over.

This is where the fight really began for a lot of us.

	19-11-2004 08:57									#425
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Why is this thread still topped?

Arafat is dead (cause still unknown), the widow is sad, the money is lost, Pals will kill each other for awhile, the story saga of the ME rolls on.....

We've covered it.

	19-11-2004 10:10									#426
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Are we sure he's still dead?

	19-11-2004 10:12									#427
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quote: Originally posted by Vince278 Are we sure he's still dead?

Pretty sure....

They didn't drop him during that orgy of gunfire at the funeral did they?

	19-11-2004 11:41									#428
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quote: Originally posted by Ogie Oglethorpe There was this guy about 2000 thousand years ago that when faced with a choice to fight with violent means chose to instead become a martyr sacrifice.

Not really a history books sort of guy though.

	19-11-2004 11:54									#429
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quote: Originally posted by St Leo quote: Originally posted by Ogie Oglethorpe There was this guy about 2000 thousand years ago that when faced with a choice to fight with violent means chose to instead become a martyr sacrifice. Not really a history books sort of guy though.

Sounds like Jesus.

	19-11-2004 12:05									#430
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Is he still dead too?

	19-11-2004 13:12									#431
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It was reported that he is not. Many disbelieve, but still the rumour persists.

	19-11-2004 14:48									#432
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Alright, he's been dead for a while now. Let's un top this thread and let it sink just like Arafat sunk the hopes of the Palestinian people.

	19-11-2004 17:02									#433
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I'm ****ing furious that this douchebag terrorist cocksucker continues to get a topped death thread whilst the mods continue to **** on the memory of Ol' Dirty Bastard. Unbelievable...

	19-11-2004 17:35									#434
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Thank you.

	19-11-2004 17:42									#435
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quote: Originally posted by Winston Thank you.

Usually, we let the person that topped it decide when to untop it... This time, I agree with you, and decided to make the decision myself

Glad to have helped.

	19-11-2004 17:45									#436
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quote: Originally posted by Drake Tungsten I'm ****ing furious that this douchebag terrorist cocksucker continues to get a topped death thread whilst the mods continue to **** on the memory of Ol' Dirty Bastard. Unbelievable...

R.I.P O.D.B

	19-11-2004 21:29									#438
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quote: Originally posted by Ogie Oglethorpe Again the point was only in Japans death throws could this even be considered to be a viable tactic (and I'm not so convinced that it was the threat of the uber weapons as much as the knowing that the Ruskies were kicking their a$$ in China) But for arguement sake lets say it was the threat of complete anhialation via uber weapons of destruction coupled with the inevitable understanding they had no means to win.

The Russkies did not attack Japan until after the 1st atomic bomb was dropped.

	20-11-2004 11:23									#439
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quote: Originally posted by Wezil Is he still dead too?

He is Risen!

(Jesus that is. Arafat is doing whatever Muslims do in their version of hell. Anyone recall what that is?)

	20-11-2004 11:57									#440
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eat pork and bathe in pig blood?