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The Mad Monk is offline The Mad Monk
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I was listening to the press conference on the radio when a reporter mentioned it and asked for a response.

DrudgeReport: Israeli TV says Arafat Braindead

http://www.news24.com/News24/World/...1616207,00.html

Site is down for me.

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This is going to be bad.

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I really can't see a more "moderate" leader getting the popular support of a majority of Palestinians.

Mind you, I'd like to be proved wrong here.

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I think it could be a good thing. The short term could be ugly (I hope not), but in the long run, I think the Pals really needed a new leader.

-Arrian

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Who could be less moderate than Arafat?

Now we'll get a chance to see some real compromises with the Jews on Palestine.

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Clinically dead, not yet completely.

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I concur with Arrian. It's also tempting to view a large segment of Palestinians as eager to move forward toward real peace, but having held back due to loyalty to Arafat. I'm not that naive, though.

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On the BBC news tracker it say "Paris hospital denies Israeli media reports that yasser Arafat is dead. More soon."

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http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tm...deast_arafat_dc

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Arafat Reported Clinically Dead; PM Denies

13 minutes ago

JERUSALEM (Reuters) - Palestinian President Yasser Arafat (news - web sites) was declared clinically dead on Thursday in a French hospital, Israeli television said citing French sources.

But Palestinian Prime Minister Ahmed Qurie denied the report, saying: "I have just spoken to the officials in Paris and they say the situation is still as it was. He is still in the intensive care unit."

Israel's Channel Two television cited unnamed sources in Paris saying that Arafat underwent a brain scan and was found to be "no longer alive."

Palestinian sources earlier told Reuters that the Palestinian president, who was admitted to hospital last week with a mysterious stomach illness, had slipped into a coma.

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one less terrorist




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Well, let me be the first.



Now we can at least hope for a future instead of the standstill of the Arafat years...

edit: I guess Mr. Fun beat me. Good news travels fast.

btw, good thing we don't allow a dead pool at ACS - that would be insensitive

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I beat you to the celebration, Wezil.



Don't you love x-posting?

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It's not so much whether the next leader is more "moderate" than Arafat. The key is pragmatism. If you think moderate = pragmatic (it can be the same, but not necessarily, I think), then ok. But LotM has made a pretty good case lately for Sharon being a pragmatist - despite not being moderate at all.

-Arrian

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Damn! You beat me to the thread.

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Good news travels fast.

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So, who do we think poisoned him?

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So, who do we think poisoned him?



I did

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Well considering the israelis say he's dead and the hospital doesn't know about it yet, I'd say some Israeli forgot about the time difference or something and the poison isn't quite done yet

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PARIS — Media outlets issued conflicting reports on Yasser Arafat's (search) health Thursday, with some reporting the ailing Palestinian leader had died.

The prime minister of Luxembourg said Arafat was dead, while French doctors disputed the claim in a press conference.

In a press conference in France, Gen. Christian Estripeau told reporters Arafat is not dead, but the situation has become a lot more complex.

When informed at a news conference of the reports of Arafat's death, President Bush said, "God bless his soul."

He also said he will continue to work "for a free Palestinian state that's at peace with Israel."

Earlier Thursday, a senior Palestinian official said Arafat had lapsed into a coma in a French hospital, a day after being rushed to intensive care following a sharp deterioration in his health.

French President Jacques Chirac (search) went to the hospital and saw Arafat and his wife, "to whom he expressed his best wishes," Chirac's office said. The president also met members of the Palestinian Authority (search) and doctors "who are doing everything possible for the health of the president," Chirac's office said.


The visit lasted about 30 minutes. Chirac did not speak to reporters.

French television station LCI quoted an anonymous French medical official as saying Arafat was in an "irreversible coma" and "intubated" — a process that usually involves threading a tube down the windpipe to the lungs. The tube is often connected to a life support machine to help the patient breathe.

The Palestinian official would not say when Arafat lost consciousness. Two Arafat aides in Paris denied he was in a coma, but the senior Palestinian with close access to the medical team insisted Arafat was comatose.

A prolonged Arafat incapacitation — or death — could have profound impact on the Middle East. There are fears of unrest among Palestinian factions, which Arafat, viewed as a national symbol by even some who opposed him, was largely able to prevent. Furthermore, chaos in the West Bank and Gaza could make any cooperation with Israel even more difficult.

On the other hand, Israel and the United States have in recent years shunned Arafat as a terrorist and an obstacle to peace, and his replacement by a new leadership could open the door to renewed peace talks. Such a scenario could affect Israel's current plans to pull soldiers and settlers out of the Gaza Strip (search) in a unilateral move not coordinated with the Palestinians.

The 75-year-old leader was rushed to the Percy Military Training Hospital outside Paris for emergency treatment Friday. Since then, his condition has largely remained a mystery, with Palestinians issuing conflicting reports.

Anxious Palestinian leaders held an emergency meeting in the West Bank on Thursday. Foreign Minister Nabil Shaath said top officials were in touch with Arafat's hospital every 30 minutes to check on his condition.

"The Palestinian leadership is in constant meeting to follow up on the president's health," Shaath said from Ramallah, where leaders of the PLO and Arafat's Fatah movement were meeting.

Palestinian Prime Minister Ahmed Qureia (search) and Shaath were to travel to the Gaza Strip later Thursday or Friday. The two leaders wanted to ensure that no internal conflict would erupt there at a time of uncertainty, a Palestinian official said on condition of anonymity.

There is concern in Israel about the potential for chaos in the West Bank and Gaza Strip if Arafat dies or is incapacitated to the point where he is unable to perform politically. The Israeli army, which is on high alert, has a plan, called "new leaf," to deal with the fallout from Arafat's death, including possible Palestinian riots.

The Israeli military had not yet moved forces to anticipated problem areas, but commanders were told to be on standby.

Israeli security officials were meeting Thursday to study the repercussions in the Middle East should Arafat die, Israeli officials said. Top officials, including Israeli Defense Minister Shaul Mofaz and Army Chief Lt. Gen. Moshe Yaalon, were to focus their weekly meeting on reports that Arafat's health took a sudden turn for the worse, the officials said.

Among Israel's plans are ways to prevent Arafat from being buried in Jerusalem. Prime Minister Ariel Sharon has said he would not permit Arafat to be buried in the city, claimed by both Israel and the Palestinians as their capital.

Army chiefs said they were opposed to Arafat's burial in Jerusalem or the nearby suburb of Abu Dis in the West Bank. Arafat's family has a plot in the Gaza Strip.

Cabinet official Saeb Erekat called reports that Arafat, who shared the 1994 Nobel Peace Prize, had lapsed into a coma "baseless." Erekat told The Associated Press in Ramallah that Arafat's wife, Suha, told him Arafat's condition was "stable but difficult."

Shaath said, "He is not getting better but not getting worse either. He is being examined. He is not in a coma. There is no explanation for what has happened."

Mohammed Rashid, Arafat's financial adviser, also denied that Arafat was in a coma.

"Last night, several blood and bone marrow tests were done that required the president to be in an isolation unit for several hours, and there is no truth to any of the reports that he is in a coma," Rashid said in Paris.

Mohammed Dahlan (search), a former Palestinian security chief, accused Israel of spreading rumors.

"These unfounded reports are not coming from French medical teams, these are leaks from the Israeli side," he said in Paris. "Leaking such rumors will only complicate things and also complicate the situation within the Palestinian public."

Earlier Thursday, Palestinian officials said Arafat had lost consciousness repeatedly and described his condition as extremely serious. Efforts to reach Leila Shahid, the Palestinian envoy to France, were unsuccessful Thursday.

Arafat's condition worsened Wednesday and he was rushed into intensive care. Doctors do not know the cause of the blood and digestive disorders uncovered over the past few days.

Israel Radio reported that Mahmoud Abbas (search), No. 2 in the PLO hierarchy and a former prime minister, was on his way to Paris on Thursday.

Arafat, who fell ill three weeks ago, was flown to France after passing out briefly at his West Bank headquarters. He was initially described as having a bad flu, with symptoms of vomiting and diarrhea.

Palestinian officials insist publicly that leukemia and other forms of cancer, as well as any type of poisoning, have been ruled out.

The officials, undoubtedly conscious of the anxiety at home at the thought of a future without Arafat — who has led the Palestinians for 40 years with no obvious successor, previously described his condition as improving and said more tests were being done.

Rashid said early Thursday the medical analysis was "deepening a little bit" but he remained confident Arafat would recover.

"There are no setbacks," he said. "It's no secret he's ill, that's why he's in France. But there is no threat, there is no danger, no serious degradation."

On Wednesday, Shahid said Arafat felt well enough to ask about the U.S. presidential election. An aide later issued a statement in Arafat's name congratulating President Bush on his re-election.

The Associated Press contributed to this report.


http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,137554,00.html

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why a top thread?

news are reporting he is still alive.

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Israel's Channel Two television cited unnamed sources in Paris saying that Arafat underwent a brain scan and was found to be "no longer alive."



I reckon a lot of world leaders would be found to have a similar condition.

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his death is not important.

the real important question is where he will be buried.

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Seems like it's just a matter of pulling the plug

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his death is not important.

the real important question is where he will be buried.


Wow. I would imagine it would be in Gaza. The Pals would probably really raise a stink if Israel didn't allow him to be buried in the territories.

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the real important question is where he will be buried.


You mean the speculation that the pals want to bury near/in the Al-Asqba mosque on the Temple Mount right?

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'bout time...



...there's another off THE LIST.

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Arafat reminds me of Schroedingers Cat.

Locked in a probability state betweeen living and dead

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I think it could be a good thing. The short term could be ugly (I hope not), but in the long run, I think the Pals really needed a new leader.

-Arrian

Yup, I agree here,and if Sharon were to suddenly disappear too, that could help out alot.

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I won't dance when someone dies but if he is dead then the Palestinians have a historic chance to make real peace with Israel. Blair wants to push for a comprehensive mideast peace agreement but Bush has refused to work with Arafat saying Arafat will never sign a peace agreement. Clinton got the Israelis to agree to 98% of Palestinian demands but still Arafat would not sign.

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'bout time...



...there's another off THE LIST.


Yeah, when is Sharon's turn?

 
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