05-11-2004 04:30									#31
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quote: The same reasons people have 95% of cosmetic surgeries?

So what do we say of a doctor that performs unnecessary plastic surgery to a patient for profit?

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quote: Originally posted by Ben Kenobi What has changed? People now see what the abortion industry has become, and how legal abortion has hurt the country.

How the hell does it hurt the country? if its an industry, that means economic growth- and the population will continue to grow. So what is the harm?

quote: They have a much greater understanding of the nature of the unborn child, and of fetal development. The trimester framework surrounding Roe no longer sustains scientific scrutiny.

Which means nothing, since you base everything on a notion that can;t be made by science, the decision when "life" begins.

quote: Roe, as the epitome of judicial activism, cannot hide behind the veil of Stare Decisis.

Yes it can.

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quote: Originally posted by MOBIUS Bananas are for pussies!

Nah, too soft. I recommend cucumber.

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quote: Originally posted by Ben Kenobi So what do we say of a doctor that performs unnecessary plastic surgery to a patient for profit?

That he is living the American dream and is a successful member of the American free market. And we have to make sure the trial lawyers can't drive him out of business.

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quote: Originally posted by Japher I ain't forcing my opinion on anyone

Good for you.

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quote: Originally posted by GePap So boys get to have all the fun they want, but girls have to stick with it?

Stick with it

They allowed themselves to get stuck in the first place. There are so many forms of birth control out there.

quote: Who are YOU to decide a woman must carry a pregnancy to term?

Wait.....what about the child?? You think the woman should have the RIGHT to kill an innoncent unborn child because her emotions towards the end of her pregnancy tell her to get rid of it?

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quote: Originally posted by imacowmoo 3-:-o Wait.....what about the child?? You think the woman should have the RIGHT to kill an innoncent unborn child because her emotions towards the end of her pregnancy tell her to get rid of it?

It's not a child.

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quote: Most socially conservative religious people get really very, very, very little out of tax breaks for the rich. They could use some assistance with their healthcare. Their moms and dads could use a little more than token assistance with drug costs.

Are most socially conservative people motivated by economic concerns? Many of them are less well off financially, not because of their talents, or abilities, but because of their lifestyle decisions.

They do not want to live in a big city. They like the slower lifestyle.

So, to say that they will do better with more money, strikes a smile to most of them, who see money as not that important.

This is why, they flock to the party that shows them love, that welcomes them and their beliefs. This is also why they shun the Democrats, who spit in their faces, who mock their churches, at the same time as they kneel to receive communion.

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quote: Originally posted by St Leo quote: Originally posted by imacowmoo 3-:-o Wait.....what about the child?? You think the woman should have the RIGHT to kill an innoncent unborn child because her emotions towards the end of her pregnancy tell her to get rid of it? It's not a child.

Oh right.....but it isnt like it will be after 5 months or anything right? I mean heck....this is just one of those chicken or egg first questions.

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quote: It's not a child.

So if I kill someone I should argue "they weren't a person"?

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quote: How the hell does it hurt the country? if its an industry, that means economic growth- and the population will continue to grow. So what is the harm?

Does all industry necessarily result in economic growth? The abortion industry profits from killing children. The accompanying loss of these children is dragging down your birth rate, and as a consequence, your long-term economic prosperity.

How does free enterprise work, with a constant decrease in demand?

quote: Which means nothing, since you base everything on a notion that can;t be made by science, the decision when "life" begins.

Science does say that human life begins at conception. So no dice there.

quote: Yes it can.

Yes, like a whore behind a habit.

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I have a feeling we are going to be seeing alot more orphans around.

Get it through your empty head bushy! We already have too many unadopted children, now we will get more from mothers who don't want their child, or from unmarried mothers who die giving birth when they could have been saved!

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quote: Originally posted by imacowmoo 3-:-o They allowed themselves to get stuck in the first place. There are so many forms of birth control out there.

Many who oppose abortion also oppose birth control.

quote: Wait.....what about the child?? You think the woman should have the RIGHT to kill an innoncent unborn child because her emotions towards the end of her pregnancy tell her to get rid of it?

Since a fetus is not a human being, so what? And besides, we allow people to be killed all the time- life has never been sacred, we snuff it all the time. Snuffing it when it is nothing more than a bunch of cells makes no difference at all.

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quote: Originally posted by Japher So if I kill someone I should argue "they weren't a person"?

No, you just argue it is not illegal.

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quote: Originally posted by Ben Kenobi Does all industry necessarily result in economic growth? The abortion industry profits from killing children. The accompanying loss of these children is dragging down your birth rate, and as a consequence, your long-term economic prosperity.

There always willing to take on more Arabs anyway who work at dirt cheap. What in 2030 20-25% of the european population will draw there lineage back to the middle-east. Should be interesting to watch the rise of Nationalism again in advance of the immigrant invasion

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quote: I have a feeling we are going to be seeing alot more orphans around. Get it through your empty head bushy! We already have too many unadopted children, now we will get more from mothers who don't want their child, or from unmarried mothers who die giving birth when they could have been saved!

How many woman, will be among their number?

Prolly less, given the complications inherent to induced abortion.

Secondly, there are many people who want to adopt, but can't who spend a great deal of money to adopt a child from overseas.

Do you really think these kids are not going to find loving homes?

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quote: Originally posted by Ben Kenobi Does all industry necessarily result in economic growth? The abortion industry profits from killing children. The accompanying loss of these children is dragging down your birth rate, and as a consequence, your long-term economic prosperity.

Nope, since we have immigration to more than make up for any imagined loss.

quote: How does free enterprise work, with a constant decrease in demand?

That has never been true of the US, so the point is moot.

quote: Science does say that human life begins at conception. So no dice there.

NO,it does not. But nice BAM

quote: Yes, like a whore behind a habit.

And if the free market is so good, why should prostitution be illegal?

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quote: Many who oppose abortion also oppose birth control.

So?

Many like chocolate ice cream after dinner too.

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quote: Originally posted by imacowmoo 3-:-o There always willing to take on more Arabs anyway who work at dirt cheap. What in 2030 20-25% of the european population will draw there lineage back to the middle-east. Should be interesting to watch the rise of Nationalism again in advance of the immigrant invasion

quote: Nope, since we have immigration to more than make up for any imagined loss.

Again, Europeans are like the idiots at the beach with there backs against the ocean. Paying attention to everthing on shore. Thinking they know where the water. But when they turn around they are smacked by the offending wave.

You just made my point.

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quote: Nope, since we have immigration to more than make up for any imagined loss.

From where?

China?

India?

The Middle East?

By 2050, world population will be declining. You are fighting for an already shrinking pool. As China and India industrialise, this pool will shrink drastically.

quote: That has never been true of the US, so the point is moot.

But it will not always be the case. I ask again, how does free enterprise work with dwindling demand?

quote: NO,it does not. But nice BAM

Go here.

"Human development begins after the union of male and female gametes or germ cells during a process known as fertilization (conception).

"Fertilization is a sequence of events that begins with the contact of a sperm (spermatozoon) with a secondary oocyte (ovum) and ends with the fusion of their pronuclei (the haploid nuclei of the sperm and ovum) and the mingling of their chromosomes to form a new cell. This fertilized ovum, known as a zygote, is a large diploid cell that is the beginning, or primordium, of a human being."

[Moore, Keith L. Essentials of Human Embryology. Toronto: B.C. Decker Inc, 1988, p.2]

quote: And if the free market is so good, why should prostitution be illegal?

The analogy holds. Roe hides behind the very values she mocks.

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quote: Originally posted by Ben Kenobi Are most socially conservative people motivated by economic concerns? Many of them are less well off financially, not because of their talents, or abilities, but because of their lifestyle decisions.

Well, there's also the fact that the jobs that paid fairly well flew overseas when they were in their 40s, by which timne they had no other marketable skills and had to settel for jobs at half the pay they were accustomed to. Then there's the fact that a college education costs more than a family with one disabled parent can afford. Are you living in some sort of socialist utopia up there?

quote: They do not want to live in a big city. They like the slower lifestyle. So, to say that they will do better with more money, strikes a smile to most of them, who see money as not that important. This is why, they flock to the party that shows them love, that welcomes them and their beliefs. This is also why they shun the Democrats, who spit in their faces, who mock their churches, at the same time as they kneel to receive communion.

Thanks for elevating me to the status of movie star. When do I get paid?
How do you mock a church while kneeling to take communion? Wouldn't you be in danger of choking on the host?

You're so far out of touch it's pathetic. I sit in my office exam rooms and hear their complaints dozens of times every day. I don't think that many of my patients would just smile off a little more money. Money is really important when you live behind a few payments most of the time, or if you have to make a choice between eating and taking your medicine regularily.

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quote: Originally posted by Ben Kenobi From where? China? India? The Middle East? By 2050, world population will be declining. You are fighting for an already shrinking pool. As China and India industrialise, this pool will shrink drastically.

Latin America and Asia.

quote: But it will not always be the case. I ask again, how does free enterprise work with dwindling demand?

It doesn't- are you saying Human ways of living needs to be modeled around an economic model, and not the other way around? Thats pretty sad.

quote: "Human development begins after the union of male and female gametes or germ cells during a process known as fertilization (conception). "Fertilization is a sequence of events that begins with the contact of a sperm (spermatozoon) with a secondary oocyte (ovum) and ends with the fusion of their pronuclei (the haploid nuclei of the sperm and ovum) and the mingling of their chromosomes to form a new cell. This fertilized ovum, known as a zygote, is a large diploid cell that is the beginning, or primordium, of a human being." [Moore, Keith L. Essentials of Human Embryology. Toronto: B.C. Decker Inc, 1988, p.2]

"begining of a human being" does not equal "begining of life". A corpse is a human being. It is dead.

quote: The analogy holds. Roe hides behind the very values she mocks.

So? who are you to say she can;t?

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Ok, here's what we'll do.

We gather all the names of ppl who are prolife.

We outlaw abortion.

And each time a child is born we give it to one on that list along with the hospital bill (including the cost incurred to bring the child to term).

whamo!

Problem Solved.

Japher for Prez 2008


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I doubt it will be outlawed.

I really don't have much comment on abortion. I really don't think men should discuss it.

Only women should be allowed to vote on if it should be legal or not.

Therefore I will not say if I support or don't support abortions. I'll just say they are disgusting. Anyone ever see an aborted fetus?

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quote: Well, there's also the fact that the jobs that paid fairly well flew overseas when they were in their 40s, by which timne they had no other marketable skills and had to settel for jobs at half the pay they were accustomed to. Then there's the fact that a college education costs more than a family with one disabled parent can afford. Are you living in some sort of socialist utopia up there?

Obviously, I'm out of touch with social conservatives.

Most of those that I know earn less than their peers because they have chosen to live different lives, and to live outside of the cities.

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quote: Originally posted by imacowmoo 3-:-o Oh right.....but it isnt like it will be after 5 months or anything right? I mean heck....this is just one of those chicken or egg first questions.

The egg came first. A non-chicken's gametes mutated to turn into a chicken egg which in turn turned into a chicken.

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quote: Thanks for elevating me to the status of movie star. When do I get paid?

Why are you supporting the democrats then?

quote: How do you mock a church while kneeling to take communion? Wouldn't you be in danger of choking on the host?

Ask Kerry that.

quote: You're so far out of touch it's pathetic. I sit in my office exam rooms and hear their complaints dozens of times every day. I don't think that many of my patients would just smile off a little more money. Money is really important when you live behind a few payments most of the time, or if you have to make a choice between eating and taking your medicine regularily.

The ones I know are the same. But there are many more things that take precedence over money. People help each other with their bills, if things are tough, so right there, money is not the biggest concern.

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quote: Originally posted by St Leo quote: Originally posted by imacowmoo 3-:-o Oh right.....but it isnt like it will be after 5 months or anything right? I mean heck....this is just one of those chicken or egg first questions. The egg came first. A non-chicken's gametes mutated to turn into a chicken egg which in turn turned into a chicken.

where may i ask did the egg fertilize?

edit for ****sakes. if you actually believe thats how we got a chicken your full of it.

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quote: Ok, here's what we'll do. We gather all the names of ppl who are prolife. We outlaw abortion. And each time a child is born we give it to one on that list along with the hospital bill (including the cost incurred to bring the child to term). whamo! Problem Solved. Japher for Prez 2008

They used to keep revolving shelves in convents for this purpose, Japher.

The baby would be left in the shelf, and turned, so that the nuns never knew the mother.


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quote: Originally posted by GePap Which means nothing, since you base everything on a notion that can;t be made by science, the decision when "life" begins.

use the same deffinition as when life ends

the existence of brainwaves

very simple and would place the limit roughly at the end of the first trimester, which I am confortable

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