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Will abortion be banned under Bush? (Time out:0 days after 05-11-2004, 03:33)
Yes! And I agree it should be banned!
No, but I think it should be banned...
Yes - so much for the land of the free...
No, thankfully there are too many safeguards against the erosion of our basic human rights
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Abortion to be outlawed by Bush in this term... Inflate your Upload Space

Well?

Might be his crowning achievement...?

Do you think it will happen?

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Aww, now my thread gets closed.

No, because I think it will take longer than 4 years. I'd be delighted if it happens though.

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I want to vote for I don't really care. I'm not religious nor a woman.

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No banana option....

I can't vote now.

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Bananas are for pussies!

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Like I said in the other poll, no, there won't be anything more that token efforts in this direction, because the republican party needs to hold the affinity in the socially conservative religious poor. If the Republicans ever give them what they want there might be a major loss of influence over this group, a large portion of whom either receive no beneift or are actually harmed by the Republican economic agenda.

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the president has no authority to "Ban Abortion" The right has been pushing for overturning Roe V Wade. In the not particularly like event of that happening, abortion law would be up to the states, and in most the legislatures would keep it legal. Very bad luck for the poor woman in Louisiana who doesnt have the money or time for a trip to Florida or Illinois (though maybe NARAL could offer subsidies?) but not much impact on everyone else.

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LotM: Incase you didn't know those judges aren't getting any younger, and one is about to fall over, in which case it will be Bush to put someone on that bench... and, Roe vs. Wade was only decided by 1 vote, so it's could lie in Bush's hands quite easily, and most likely.

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Very bad luck for the poor woman in Louisiana who doesnt have the money or time for a trip to Florida or Illinois (though maybe NARAL could offer subsidies?) but not much impact on everyone else.


There's always the traditional way...

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because the republican party needs to hold the affinity in the socially conservative religious poor. If the Republicans ever give them what they want there might be a major loss of influence over this group, a large portion of whom either receive no beneift or are actually harmed by the Republican economic agenda


Are we harmed by such an agenda? I would think that culturally, Bush is very much closer to these social conservatives, than the Democrats are.

Even if abortion gets banned, they will still have much more of an affinity for Bush.

Secondly, you look at the Democrats. How can they, by any stretch of the word, be considered 'populist?' They are the party of Hollywood, of the liberal intelligentsia, of the elite.

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I was thinking shot of hemlock and a flight of stairs.

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The right doubts it will happen, while the left fears it will.

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Hopefuly we can see the overturning of Roe V. Wade

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Boy, aren't we all pessamisists.

The pro-life folks think it won't be outlawed, and the pro-choice people all do.

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Hopefully indeed.



Whoever legalized the murder of innocent kids after 5 months in the womb is surely rotting in a special kind of hell.

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When states start banning things such as abortion or gay marriage, they'll soon come to realize that it carries an economic cost as some people will be less willing to move there.

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I'd go move there, to work, and pay my dues to that state.

Sure some people would move away, but others would move in.

I mean, not having to pay money to support abortion? Heaven.

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Also, look at the disparities in the abortion rate across the country.

This is why you have the red states increasing in power, while the blue states are in terminal decline. Fewer babies, mean less adults.

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American Law is built on legal precedent or the notion that society has changed sufficiently so that a new legal interpretation is necessary- exactly what legal precedent would allow for the overthrow of Roe vs. Wade? And has society changed enough to make overthrowing Roe vs. Wade a reality?

It would take some massive judicial activsm to do it.

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I'm pro-choice, but I hate Planned Parenthood

Also, I think people should take more responsibilities for their actions, and if they are too stupid to get knocked up than they should bare the burden for 9 months and give the damn kid to someone who wants it (and there are plenty of those people)...

I'm pro-choice, because I can't address each situation.

Reasons for abortion; medical or psychological ailments that would prevent the parent from delivering a healthy child without harm to the parent... any more?

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Reasons for abortion; medical or psychological ailments that would prevent the parent from delivering a healthy child without harm to the parent... any more?


Not wanting to be pregnant for 9 months?

Not thinking that once born, the child will have a good life?

The same reasons people have 95% of cosmetic surgeries?

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Are we harmed by such an agenda? I would think that culturally, Bush is very much closer to these social conservatives, than the Democrats are.

Even if abortion gets banned, they will still have much more of an affinity for Bush.

Secondly, you look at the Democrats. How can they, by any stretch of the word, be considered 'populist?' They are the party of Hollywood, of the liberal intelligentsia, of the elite.


Most socially conservative religious people get really very, very, very little out of tax breaks for the rich. They could use some assistance with their healthcare. Their moms and dads could use a little more than token assistance with drug costs.

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American Law is built on legal precedent or the notion that society has changed sufficiently so that a new legal interpretation is necessary- exactly what legal precedent would allow for the overthrow of Roe vs. Wade? And has society changed enough to make overthrowing Roe vs. Wade a reality?


I seem to remember O'Connor's claim that abortion has become an essential part of American society in the PP vs Casey decision.

What has changed? People now see what the abortion industry has become, and how legal abortion has hurt the country.

They have a much greater understanding of the nature of the unborn child, and of fetal development. The trimester framework surrounding Roe no longer sustains scientific scrutiny.

Roe, as the epitome of judicial activism, cannot hide behind the veil of Stare Decisis.

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So boys get to have all the fun they want, but girls have to stick with it?

Who are YOU to decide a woman must carry a pregnancy to term?

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