08-11-2004 11:21									#481
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As I said I haven't seen any evidence that he was an actual anarchist, simply that he sympathized with the ideology. If I'd said otherwise, it was either a typo or I hadn't a proper understanding of Orwell at the time (if it were a while ago).

Likewise, I haven't seen any evidence that he wasn't a (state) socialist (including during/after WW II). He did become rather unenamored of communism during the Spanish Civil War, if that's what you mean.

	08-11-2004 11:24									#482
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I spent a lot of time studying Orwell at uni - he wasn't a joiner so you'll never get to the bottom of his politics.

Early in life he was a policeman in Burma.

	08-11-2004 11:28									#483
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Burmese Days is an excellent book too.

	08-11-2004 11:32									#484
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Yes, very good - Orwell seems to have to have gone to Catalonia without any clear political objective other than to "fight fascism". He was defined more by what he was against throughout his short life.

	08-11-2004 12:20									#485
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quote: Originally posted by Agathon I might end up there. Most of the jobs in my field this year are in the States. I don't think I will get one this year though, I don't have enough on my CV yet. Still, it costs very little and is worth a shot. I can corrupt it from within.

If you find yourself living here, I hope you will try hard not to detest the place as badly as you do now. I hate when people voluntarily move to a country and persist in loathing it after taking up residency there. I sure as hell wouldn't expect you to wave a flag or change your opinion on US policies but easing up on your contempt for the US would be very welcome.

	08-11-2004 15:52									#486
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quote: If you find yourself living here, I hope you will try hard not to detest the place as badly as you do now.

Dude, I hate everywhere. Have you ever smelled a Canadian!?!!?

	08-11-2004 17:09									#487
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Yep. They smell of pancakes... *shudders*

	08-11-2004 23:40									#488
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quote: Originally posted by Ramo Trotskyite

Trotskyist!

	08-11-2004 23:48									#489
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Grammar Commie.

	08-11-2004 23:49									#490
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quote: Originally posted by Ned When contemplating a former New York mayor as their next presidential candidate, Republicans should remember: This election should have been over sometime in August, not 1 a.m. election night." http://www.anncoulter.org/

Ann's right about this - except with the opposite result she would like. A half-decent Democratic candidate would have burried Bush months before the election.

	09-11-2004 02:06									#491
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara Trotskyist!

A loser, by any other name, would lose as much.

	09-11-2004 03:01									#492
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quote: Originally posted by Kontiki Ann's right about this - except with the opposite result she would like. A half-decent Democratic candidate would have burried Bush months before the election.

The "only" liability Kerry had was "Vietnam." Otherwise he was a very typical Democrat on policy. He was also very "presidential" in demeanor. This came out especially well in the debates. Finally, he was obviously intelligent and articulate.

Now the problem with your thesis about Kerry is that the only apparent liability to the larger American public, his antiwar activities after Vietnam, fairly well reflects where the bulk of Democrats are on that war, and on war in general.

So, where did Kerry fail as a Democrat candidate?

	09-11-2004 03:17									#493
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The perception that Kerry would be softer in the WoT & Iraq did kill him. Moreso than the much-discussed Gay Marriage/Moral Values issues. Personally, I think Kerry showed a lot of courage in first volunteering for, fighting in, and then returning and fighting against the Vietnam War. I think that took balls. But most people didn't see it that way. They chose the guy that hid in the National Guard and likes to start wars over the guy that volunteered to fight for his country, didn't like what his country was doing, and sought to stop it. Go figure.

-Arrian

	09-11-2004 03:20									#494
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quote: Originally posted by Ned So, where did Kerry fail as a Democrat candidate?

He was your standard Northeast and wealthy Democrat.

I hope the Dems keep putting up candidates like that, because they can't win.

	09-11-2004 03:27									#495
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quote: Originally posted by Arrian The perception that Kerry would be softer in the WoT & Iraq did kill him. Moreso than the much-discussed Gay Marriage/Moral Values issues. Personally, I think Kerry showed a lot of courage in first volunteering for, fighting in, and then returning and fighting against the Vietnam War. I think that took balls. But most people didn't see it that way. They chose the guy that hid in the National Guard and likes to start wars over the guy that volunteered to fight for his country, didn't like what his country was doing, and sought to stop it. Go figure. -Arrian

I think Kerry would have/could have won had he 1) apologized for his Ghenghis Khan remarks, 2) had consistently been in favor of the Iraq war, 3) had presented a positive message on the issues and 4) had never once mentioned Bush's name in the campaign. (No negative campaigning.)

The only problem is that such a Democrat could not have been nominated, at least given Dean.

	09-11-2004 03:29									#496
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The Democrats have to get rid of the DLC and the rest of the republican-lites.

	09-11-2004 03:32									#497
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Ned,

BS on the "no negative campaigning" aspect. When running as a challenger, you've gotta say you can do better than the incumbent. Inherent within that is that the incumbent isn't doing a good job.

...

What Ming said is closer to the truth.

-Arrian

	09-11-2004 03:39									#498
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@DanS: I don't know about the RCC, but here around heartbeat was the legal mark of life/death till quite recently. I would surprised if the RCC did not hold the same position at least until well into the 2nd half of the 20th C.

Over at CFC, FearlessLeader2 actually tried to argue a while ago that abortion was unacceptable because it was morally equivalent to pulling the plug on someone in a permanent vegetative coma.

	09-11-2004 03:42									#499
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quote: Originally posted by Ming He was your standard Northeast and wealthy Democrat. I hope the Dems keep putting up candidates like that, because they can't win.

Hilary in '08!

	09-11-2004 03:56									#500
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quote: Originally posted by Arrian Ned, BS on the "no negative campaigning" aspect. When running as a challenger, you've gotta say you can do better than the incumbent. Inherent within that is that the incumbent isn't doing a good job. ... What Ming said is closer to the truth. -Arrian

Arrian, when the economy is doing good and the challenger has to fight the war on terror just as much as the incumbent, I think the only way the challenger can win is to provide the people with a clear choice on other issues, such as health care and the social issues.

That is pretty much what Clinton advised, if you recall.

	09-11-2004 04:00									#501
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I would like to thank all those who contributed to this brilliantly conceived thread. Thanks for coming.

	09-11-2004 04:37									#502
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quote: Personally, I think Kerry showed a lot of courage in first volunteering for, fighting in, and then returning and fighting against the Vietnam War.

Kerry didn't really volunteer for Vietnam. He joined the Naval Reserves...

quote: I would like to thank all those who contributed to this brilliantly conceived thread. Thanks for coming.

"Brilliantly conceived" doesn't do this truly amazing thread justice.

	09-11-2004 04:40									#503
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quote: Originally posted by Alexander's Horse I would like to thank all those who contributed to this brilliantly conceived thread. Thanks for coming.

A fine effort again, Horse. 500 posts of argument with hardly a finger lifted.

	09-11-2004 06:15									#505
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Tis a sad sad day when horse has to be the voice of reason and sanity ...

Still, that it is, as is he. Well done AH.