09-11-2004 04:08									#31
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Yeh. The AU mod does enhance human gameplay, particularly in terms of units. More wheeled units, and the army change, among others. I highly recommend playing a few games SP with it if you haven't before to get used to the units

	09-11-2004 04:08									#32
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	09-11-2004 04:11									#33
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quote: Originally posted by Ljube-ljcvetko Thanks for the answers What is the point of having this AU mod then? The way I see it, it's only made for the benefit of the AI and there aren't any AIs here.

Why, there's no sea going and then no ocean going for a fair chunk of the game, cav are attack 5, armies only get one unit with 4 bonus HP, artillery bombard is reduced to 10, infantry and guerillas have attack increased to 8, colosseums only cost 110 shields and one maintence and a host of others.

EDIT: All changes can be found in the second post, though I too recommend a couple of SP games to get the hang of the changes. I would think you can probably get a couple of games in before any impacted decisions will arise in this PBEM.

	09-11-2004 04:18									#34
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Yes, I was just reading about armies. Seems a fair change, but not all that needed against human players.

The problem I see now is Paddy's raiders are way too overpowered with cavalry reduced to 5.

	09-11-2004 04:21									#35
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Such is life

And I think the army change is still a good one. It reduces the advantage the first person with an MGL and makes decisions with armies more important. In normal C3C I don't think anyine would ever do anything else with a MGL except build the FP. Now I would consider Palace moves, other less important SWs, and even factories or other expensive improvements once I have had the MA up and running for a bit.

	09-11-2004 04:57									#36
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Well, playing the Chinese probably needs a boost anyways

Though I don't think you'll find it to be a problem ... Cavalry has always been WAY overvalued, and lowering it 1 isn't going to cripple it, even against the Riders...

	09-11-2004 05:02									#37
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For that matter i'm not so sure why a 4/3/3 unit is that powerful ... it's admittedly nicer than a knight, but just by 1 move - no more of an advantage than my 1/4/1 swiss guard, really. By the time that 5/3/3 units can be made (cavalry), who cares about 4/3/3?

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	09-11-2004 05:28									#38
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I think one extra move is the most valuable UU addition you could hope for, personnally. 3 moves is killer.

	09-11-2004 05:57									#39
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Yeh, but my point was it's not particularly relevant to the cavalry cut off. 4/3/3 is still worse than 5/3/3, even if it's not as much worse. Given, you can easier get a GA, but it's not a game-changing difference.

	09-11-2004 07:17									#40
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We are not by any means done developing a version of the AU Mod for MP... this game is, I guess, a start.

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	09-11-2004 07:30									#42
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	09-11-2004 12:43									#44
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quote: Originally posted by snoopy369 For that matter i'm not so sure why a 4/3/3 unit is that powerful ... it's admittedly nicer than a knight, but just by 1 move - no more of an advantage than my 1/4/1 swiss guard, really. By the time that 5/3/3 units can be made (cavalry), who cares about 4/3/3?

I'd say the big deal is that the 4/3/3 shows up 5 or so techs before the 5/3/3.

What's with the disrespecting of China? Didn't they still make Aeson's most recent evaluation of 'top level' civs? (Be sure to post a proverb with each 'sent' message, Paddy. ;-)

	09-11-2004 12:47									#45
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	09-11-2004 13:09									#46
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	09-11-2004 13:27									#47
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3850bc to Snoopy


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	09-11-2004 13:31									#48
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My last fortune cookie made me think of snoopy369 for some reason:
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Continuing the threadjack into madness...

	09-11-2004 13:35									#49
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not sure what ya mean by continuing

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	09-11-2004 17:37									#50
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quote: Originally posted by Rommel2D I'd say the big deal is that the 4/3/3 shows up 5 or so techs before the 5/3/3. What's with the disrespecting of China? Didn't they still make Aeson's most recent evaluation of 'top level' civs? (Be sure to post a proverb with each 'sent' message, Paddy. ;-)

Um, but they always show up there. My objection was that it was claimed the chinese rider is suddenly more powerful in AU than it was otherwise; it's the same amount of powerful, simply cavalry is less powerful.

Eh, I'm not a big fan of China. Aeson or no aeson. Perhaps it's just that I lump it in with Korea and Japan, both of which I consider useless civs, and Mongolia, which i'd rather not play either ...

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	09-11-2004 17:55									#51
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On levels higher than emperor, China is the most powerful civ. As AI, they are always KAI. As human, well, I find it boring to play China.

	09-11-2004 18:35									#52
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I wouldn't say China is the most powerful civ, but they are always strong. I would take the Dutch or Iroquois in this game first, though.

	09-11-2004 19:29									#53
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Bah... fastmovers don't generate enough GLs.

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Still no turn, leaving in less than 10 minutes. I really think you should try punkbass TA gmail TOD com

EDIT: If I don't get this turn out now it won't be out until my next time slot.

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	09-11-2004 22:32									#57
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3850bc played and sent.

	10-11-2004 04:02									#58
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edit: onto Snoopy

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	10-11-2004 08:19									#59
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oh, this went to theseus a while ago (6:30) ... forgot to post

	10-11-2004 08:24									#60
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quote: Originally posted by Theseus Bah... fastmovers don't generate enough GLs. Turn sent

Hmm? I need to do some research obviously, since i haven't a clue what being a fast mover has to do with leader generation. I'd assume if nothing else you might get *more* with the ability to more frequently attack (well, move + attack + next turn attack rather than move, attack next turn) ...