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Moonbars is offline Moonbars

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Onwards to Paddy the Civ Addict

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3550 BC to Snoopy

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Sent to Moonbars.

A question: Are we playing with scientific leaders on or off?

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I generally leave them on, but I don't usually pay specific attention to them. So probably on.

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On again to the ancient Greek.

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Regarding scientific leaders, I got my first yesterday (not in this game ) when I researched philosophy first and then I selected literature and got a leader and rushed great library. Then I was left with a ton of pre-built shields I squandered on the mausoleum. Perhaps I should have kept my scientific leader for later. Does it prevent the appearance of military leaders?

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3450 BC to Snoopy

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No. SGLs and MGLs both can coexist, and you can have several of them. The scientific GA doesn't do a lot (20% or so more science i think, usually cuts down my research rates by 1 turn anyhow) especially if you're already in the lead. I recommend saving the SGL for a major wonder that's important to you and you get the tech late; but it really depends on your strategy in-game. I've saved SGLs for eras before, and i've used them the first turn I got them.

Definitely certain techs get SGLs more - the two you mention are two of the most likely from ancient area (Philosophy and Literature). In most SP games I play, if I get Phil first as a Scientific civ, i'll usually get a SGL.

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No. SGLs and MGLs both can coexist, and you can have several of them.


You can have several SGLs but MGLs. If you have a SGL or a MGL, you cannot get a MGL. You can always get a SGL.

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The scientific GA doesn't do a lot (20% or so more science i think, usually cuts down my research rates by 1 turn anyhow) especially if you're already in the lead.


The SGA is broken. It dos nothing.

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Definitely certain techs get SGLs more - the two you mention are two of the most likely from ancient area (Philosophy and Literature). In most SP games I play, if I get Phil first as a Scientific civ, i'll usually get a SGL.


No tech is more likely to give a SGL than any other. If you are first to research any tech you have a 3% chance of gaining a SGL (5% for Scientific). Techs from huts don't count, techs from ToE/Phil do.

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PLayed>sent.

T, did you send two copies of the save? I'm pretty sure I deleted the first one after I downloaded, but when I came back from playing there was another that is marked as 'unread'. There's no chance the actual file will be different, is there?

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Yeah, I may have sent two copies... I was having trouble with Outlook. No difference between the two.

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You can have several SGLs but MGLs. If you have a SGL or a MGL, you cannot get a MGL. You can always get a SGL.



In that case, it's best I rushed the great library. This was my very first scientific leader ever!


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You can have several SGLs but MGLs. If you have a SGL or a MGL, you cannot get a MGL. You can always get a SGL.


Hmm. I was fairly sure I had gotten a MGL with a SGL hanging around waiting for a wonder, but maybe it was the other way around. Have had multiple MGLs, but only when one was an army (which I guess doesn't count anymore?)

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The SGA is broken. It dos nothing.


It actually did something for me every time i used it - about 1 turn less off my research. I'm sure. (Of course, I never actually use it that way anymore ... who knows

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No tech is more likely to give a SGL than any other. If you are first to research any tech you have a 3% chance of gaining a SGL (5% for Scientific). Techs from huts don't count, techs from ToE/Phil do.


Eh, it seems otherwise, and civ3 has a lot of undocumented stuff in it. I haven't played enough to have statistical data to prove it - but i've gotten a SGL from philosophy itself (not its bonus tech) an awful lot, nearly every time i play a sci. civ on regent and get philosophy first ...

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Hmm. I was fairly sure I had gotten a MGL with a SGL hanging around waiting for a wonder, but maybe it was the other way around. Have had multiple MGLs, but only when one was an army (which I guess doesn't count anymore?)


No, doesn't count in an army. It might just be that you can't get a MGL if you have any GL. I know for sure it's only the MGL that does a check though. I've had 3 SGLs at once before.

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It actually did something for me every time i used it - about 1 turn less off my research. I'm sure. (Of course, I never actually use it that way anymore ... who knows


Yeah, it says that, but if you pay close attention you'll see that it sits at one turn for as many turns as it supposedly saved. Your cities will say they are produciung more beakers, but nothing records them. Trust me, this has been well documented and Firaxians have admitted it. I could even refer you to a thread where Arathorn deeply berates and insults (well into excess) someone who makes this argument.

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Eh, it seems otherwise, and civ3 has a lot of undocumented stuff in it. I haven't played enough to have statistical data to prove it - but i've gotten a SGL from philosophy itself (not its bonus tech) an awful lot, nearly every time i play a sci. civ on regent and get philosophy first ...


Here is a game as the Sumerians. It's an HOF attempt and I restarted if I didn't get an SGL at or before Polytheism, which I beelined for. It is the only one I have received so far and I used it on the ToA. If you check F7, you'll see it's my only Wonder and that I did get it rather early, to the point that I couldn't have realistically researched both to Phil. and Poly. I also now have philosophy, and if you check around at F4, you'll see neither of my opponents do. There are no huts, so I must have researched it myself. I do not have a SGL.

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Not saying you can't get a SGL with any tech - just that I have gotten it with philosophy a lot.

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Bottom line, since the level was demigod and I like to wage wars a lot, I did the right thing cashing the scientific leader at the first opportunity as I would have been blocking the appearance of military leaders had I saved him for later. Sc. leaders should be switched off in games like this to avoid a huge luck factor intervening.


Turn sent to Moonbars, out of slot, I know, but hopefully he'll play his turn in time.

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SGL to me are fine; they're rarely present anyways, but add for the occasional bit of spice in a game. Perhaps i'm not the hardcore player some of the folk here are, but I play these games for fun primarily, and the occasional free wonder makes things more fun imho.
Also, it discourages tech trading a bit. After all, if you trade all of your techs to other players, they no longer have to research them, and can be "first" to a lot of new techs. (Sort of like hording writing until you have philosophy within 4 turns.)

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Turn sent to Moonbars, out of slot, I know, but hopefully he'll play his turn in time.


we may not be operating withn our time slots, but we are hooting along

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Yeh

I'm going to be lateish Thurs. AM slot (my time, 2.5 slots from now) because i'm working 10p-7a shift (and my slot is 5a-7a). That's why i'm up now, trying to shift my sleep schedule over for 1 day.

I'll also be late on the Sunday AM, but that's normal for this game on the weekend

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