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Originally posted by BeBro
Why do you think that? |
The dictum that an organisation is defined by its most base members is an often used rightwing canard. Islam is a case in point. Thus instead of fruitlessly repudiating that sort of mentality, I choose to take note and apply it in reverse- so as to broaden the discourse.
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Tripledoc
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Originally posted by Last Conformist
Anyway, you're a human, so you're a member of a Fascist species. |
That is probably true. Just take the social construct of the average kindergarden or primary school class as evidence.
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SG(2)… gone but not forgotten
Jan 1970
time: 23:19
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Originally posted by Agathon
But only the loony left (i.e. me, Chegitz and the other "usual suspects") really cared about US crimes under Clinton. But now Bush hating is a mainstream thing outside of the US, and has even spread to many avowed conservatives.
All my students hate Bush, all my fellow grads hate Bush (the Americans more than everyone else - one of them used the term "mother*******" the other day, which is the first oath I've ever heard from her), everyone else on campus seems to hate Bush, my thesis reader hates Bush, my arch conservative supervisor hates Bush, the lady at Tim Horton's where I buy a coffee and a donut hates Bush.
Everyone hates him, but not all of these people hate America. |
 Yeah, them liberal arts grad students sure are a representative cross-section of the population.
All through the Clinton elections and the 2000 election there were stories about this. In academia Clinton/Gore supporters ran 70-80%, among academic faculty it was 90-95% or more. At Dartmouth they got the entire faculty to participate in the poll and there was only one faculty member who said he voted for Bush in 2000.
Your opinions on voting match half the voters, at best. Your hatred of Bush much less than that.
 Dang pinkos.
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Serb
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Siberia, Communist party of Apolyton
Nov 2001
time: 11:19
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Originally posted by Cruddy
It's a logical argument - no more Warsaw Pact so why have NATO?
I'm personally very annoyed at the idea but I can't really argue with the logic. |
Unfortunately the only explanation for this is that Russia still considered as enemy. Not only NATO still exist, but it also grows. How the hell we can be friends if you surround us with your military bases and make this anti-Russian alliance stronger and stronger?
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Serb
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Siberia, Communist party of Apolyton
Nov 2001
time: 11:19
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But we do. We make exelent ICBMs to solve this NATO problem.
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Tripledoc
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The Gladio Network
Operation Gladio
© 1997 David Guyatt
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US planners worried over the growing influence of Italy's large and popular communist party, established Operation "Gladio" in 1956. The name derived from the short sword used by Roman legionnaires 2000 years earlier, and was almost certainly drawn from the crest of SHAPE which features two swords arranged in an "A" shape. The Gladio network was operated by the secret services and initially funded by the US Central Intelligence Agency. 622 people were recruited and trained by US and British specialists in Sardinia. It is believed that up to 15,000 members were ultimately recruited to the Gladio network.
By 1972, with the prospect of a Soviet invasion receding, a decision was taken to "make a pre-emptive attack" on the Italian communist party - who had polled 27% in that year's election - and who would go on to increase their vote to 35% just four years later. There immediately followed a series of bomb outrages signalling the beginning of a "strategy of tension," designed to shift Italian politics sharply to the right. In April 1972 a Fascist bomb attack killed three carabinieri. In November 1973, an Argo 16 aircraft was destroyed in a mid-air explosion.
But if the Gladio network was the armed force, the secret Masonic lodge "Propaganda Due" (P2) was the Elitist "shadow government" tasked with directing them. Adhering to a right wing ideology bordering on fascism, P2 was headed by Licio Gelli - known as the "Puppet-master." During the war Gelli had been a member of Mussolini's notorious "Black shirts," and later acted as liaison officer to the Hermann Goering SS division. By 1974 P2 had in excess of 1000 members comprising a "who's who" of Italian political, military and economic power. Members included four Cabinet ministers, three intelligence chiefs, 160 senior military officers, 48 MPs, the Army Chief of Staff, as well as top diplomats, bankers, industrialists and media publishers.
It was also during 1974 that Gelli met secretly with Alexander Haig. Formerly, the NATO Supreme Commander, Haig had meanwhile become President Nixon's White House Chief of Staff. The secret meeting was held in the US Embassy in Rome. Receiving the blessing of Henry Kissinger, the US National Security Adviser, Gelli left the meeting with a promise of continued financial support for the Gladio network and it's plan for the "internal subversion." of Italian political life. As welcome as this was, Gelli required additional funds to support P2 and operation Gladio.
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http://www.copi.com/articles/guyatt/gladio.html
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Serb
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Siberia, Communist party of Apolyton
Nov 2001
time: 11:19
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Originally posted by DanS
Since NATO has surrounded Russia with bases, that just means that Russia won't have to spend the money keeping bases in these countries and spending political capital cleaning up these countries' messes. Now it's on the US' and EU's dime.
The only long-term benefit to Russia of having satellite countries is that it strokes Russian pride. |
Sorry DanS, but we don't believe in NATO's good intentions. Russians see this alliance as threat to Russia. And we have all reasons to believe so.
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Serb
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Siberia, Communist party of Apolyton
Nov 2001
time: 11:19
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Originally posted by DinoDoc
Can we really be blamed if you left so little good will in your former satellites that they bolted for a kinder, gentler "overlord" the first chance they got? |
We still can provide a lot of space for playing Fallout alive for you, regardless on wich side those little mofos are playing. So you can have them if you wish, we'll nuke them first when time will come. Just a little advice- don't trust them much. When somebody betrays once he will betray over and over again.
Have a nice day.
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Serb
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Siberia, Communist party of Apolyton
Nov 2001
time: 11:19
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Yep.
We are currently number one oil exporter and have the largest stockpiles of natural gas. Considering your crusade for remaning resources and growing NATO, despite there is no more WP and Russia isn't a communist state now, I would say - yes, you still treat us as enemy and going to attack us sooner or later.
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Cruddy
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Originally posted by Serb
Yep.
We are currently number one oil exporter...
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No you aren't. You are the biggest oil PRODUCER but Saudi Arabia exports more.
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11-11-2004 21:14
Clearly the communists all support oppressive, totalitarian states like the Soviet Union
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