12-11-2004 22:53									#31
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quote: Originally posted by Aqualung71 Hey yeh....Civ3 Survivor

ok restarting with standard victory conditions

space, culture, diplo, conquest, wonder and domination

	12-11-2004 23:13									#32
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quote: Originally posted by Paddy the Scot quote: Originally posted by Paddy the Scot cheers mate and 4000BC to Lord "1889" Pakal de ja vu

I am in a multi dimensional tail spin here

	12-11-2004 23:27									#33
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	12-11-2004 23:31									#34
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quote: Originally posted by Paddy the Scot I was just not changing anything that was in the game Sir Ralph sent me

It's not a scenario thing. You have to make sure what's enabled or disabled when you set up the game.

	12-11-2004 23:47									#35
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ok, my error then

thanks Sir Ralph

sometimes when a scenario is set up, all off the settings are programmed at this time

I see my error in this

as to the settings I stated earlier, well they would have been from the last game I had started then

ahh well we have all the ones Modo requested now

	13-11-2004 02:27									#36
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When did Wonder Victories become standard? And how do you win one?

	13-11-2004 02:47									#37
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Build all wonders, 29 of them. Pretty simple, actually. And quite impossible in an epic game. But hey - maybe someone will pull it anyway. It's more of a joke, except in a conquest scenario, so don't worry.

	13-11-2004 02:50									#38
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Wouldn't be when all wonders are built? As in, it doesn't need to be any one particular civ to build them all? Still probably not a major issue, but nonetheless.

	13-11-2004 02:56									#39
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It adds a sudden death mode to the end game, yes. But it will hardly make any difference by then, methinks. Anyway, happy civing everyone.

	13-11-2004 05:46									#40
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Actually, I consider only Space and Conquest to be standard victory conditions. I detest Domination, and consider Wonder to be ... meaningless, i suppose. Cultural I'm not a fan of either, but it never happens unless you're playing AU504 or whatever.

Diplo, now, that's a crappy victory condition, though. In PBEM, i'm not sure i've ever seen it, especially how it is hard to get that far in the game ... but have you ever tried in a sufficiently hard SP game? I've never managed to keep the AIs happy enough. I've always broken at least *some* minor agreement, often because the AI is cheating anyways (budging onto my territory and refusing to leave, breaking trade deals, etc.) and that automatically means I have to nuke the city with UN as soon as it's built

Anyways, I don't care about the restart (and in fact am probably the sole proponent of AP in 'Poly, as I think it makes the game move faster, which is always a good thing in this slow PBEM world) and don't really care about victory conditions (only one that is even theoretically possible is domination, and if you're that much ahead, congrats ...

And since it's the same map as before, i'm not going to argue with the majority

	13-11-2004 05:50									#41
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And Modo, I suggest you be player #1 next time, so you can make sure things are to your specifications, since miscommunications happen very easily. The barb wandering setting is easy for us to set, and not trusting us to set it properly I find sort of insulting ... It's a lot more important to get all of the overall settings right and trust one of us to get one setting correct.

	13-11-2004 06:13									#42
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Ok, now, why am I in a different place than when i started the first game? Completely different terrain?

I mean, i guess I don't care horribly, but ... if it was a premade map with specific settling spots, shouldn't I be in the original spot?

	13-11-2004 07:16									#43
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quote: Originally posted by snoopy369 Ok, now, why am I in a different place than when i started the first game? Completely different terrain? I mean, i guess I don't care horribly, but ... if it was a premade map with specific settling spots, shouldn't I be in the original spot?

Um - that SHOULD be the case.

	13-11-2004 07:21									#44
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quote: Originally posted by Modo44 Paddy, no messing with things, please. The rules are set and that's it. I didin't mention victory conditions, because they were to be standard. Same goes for AP. Now please, get this done right. You want to choose the settings - go ahead and start another PBEM yourself. :hint:

Modo - one word ....mellow.

I am sure something got lost in the translation here. Let's get this game back on track - it has a lot of interest - and what bothers me most is that my great pic of the Warrior Princess Makahlua has been lost in all this kerfuffle. (and that is the proper way to spell kerfuffle - look it up in Oxford. )

	13-11-2004 07:49									#45
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Save to Makahlua, Warrior Princess.

	13-11-2004 11:11									#46
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Humm, I'm not in the same place either, but I'm not complaining it's still nice

Off to Aqua

	13-11-2004 13:13									#47
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Snoopy, I am last in the turn order to keep the barbs aggressive. As far as I know, it needs to be set by the last person in the turn order to work properly. Yes, I'm paranoid. Deal with it.

Standard victory conditions are not what happens mostly, but what is possible in general, you know. I don't really expect anyone to win by diplomacy, but hey - why not allow the possibility?

Finally, since this is a standard scenario, not a fixed one, you probably get a random starting location, chosen from the ones available. So yes, you migt be in a different spot this time.

Beta, don't worry. Look what I "found".

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	13-11-2004 20:17									#48
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quote: Originally posted by Modo44 Snoopy, I am last in the turn order to keep the barbs aggressive. As far as I know, it needs to be set by the last person in the turn order to work properly. Yes, I'm paranoid. Deal with it. Standard victory conditions are not what happens mostly, but what is possible in general, you know. I don't really expect anyone to win by diplomacy, but hey - why not allow the possibility? Finally, since this is a standard scenario, not a fixed one, you probably get a random starting location, chosen from the ones available. So yes, you migt be in a different spot this time. Beta, don't worry. Look what I "found".

I'm not an idiot ... I know what standard victory conditions mean. I consider the Civ 2 victory conditions to be the standard ones; myself and many of the non-poly people I have played with never play with any condition set other than conquest/scientific. We consider diplo, culture, etc. to be "non-standard" victory conditions. Not because they never happen - domination happens quite often - but because we believe sci and conquest are the two proper ones. I also considered, before Poly, that AP was a "standard" setting, because it is what I like to play with. I'm aware that most people disagree, so I say ahead of time if i'm going to use it; but I consider it standard nonetheless, from my point of view.

I intend to mean that "standard" victory conditions are a subjective, not objective, definition, and you shouldn't expect everyone to agree with your definition thereof. If you expect things to be set in the way that you prefer, you need to either be the one setting them, or explicitly denote what you want, in detail. It's a lot easier to make sure one person has one setting right (you can find out very early in this game i'd think - and fix it without a restart) than to make sure the long list of beginning game settings are correct - hence the several restarts.

But it's your game.

	13-11-2004 20:18									#49
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quote: Originally posted by Sir Ralph It's not a scenario thing. You have to make sure what's enabled or disabled when you set up the game.

Although in this case it doesn't apply, from what I recall you *can* set it in the scenario editor, if you choose - but most people don't choose ...

	13-11-2004 20:38									#50
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Contrary to popular belief, standard settings are what the game comes with, not what most people use. For example, AP is definately not a standard setting, while Cultural Victory is. I didn't state it clearly when setting up the game, my bad.

quote: Originally posted by snoopy369 But it's your game.

Thanks for the reminder. I keep forgetting that.

	13-11-2004 21:25									#51
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Well I'm glad you're all so over the moon about the new start locations, cos mine is crappy - jungle on one entire side.

Oh well....pretty normal for my PBEM games I suppose


Nevertheless, 4000BC sent to punkbass

	14-11-2004 08:48									#52
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Same start for me.

	14-11-2004 12:28									#53
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so who has the save

	14-11-2004 12:32									#54
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who's after punkbass?

	14-11-2004 18:44									#55
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Modo

	14-11-2004 19:07									#56
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I don't have it. Nothing received yet, as far as I can tell.

	14-11-2004 19:10									#57
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	15-11-2004 00:11									#58
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My start looks fine. Must be a jungle or desert around that I don't see yet. A big one, probably.

3950BC to Paddy.

	15-11-2004 09:54									#59
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onto 1889

	15-11-2004 10:10									#60
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Barbarians, ha!

I hit "end turn" in the most insulting manner possible.

On to Snoop