11-11-2004 04:52									#1
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This is the tracker and story thread from the much proclaimed Outliving the Barbarians setup thread as created by Lord Modo

Do you know how it is to live near a barbarian horde?

I mean, do you really know? The game is about surviving in a place filled with barbarians. Not only raging but freekin' crazy. It will probably continue as normal, once we're out of the Middle ages. If we make it...


Players and (roughly) playing times:

Paddy - Celts (24/7, 365 days a year)
(1889) Pakal - Maya (18-6 GMT)
Snoopy - Arabia (1-5 GMT)
Beta - Babylon (???)
Makahlua - Egypt (6-12 GMT)
Aqualung - Persia (10-16 GMT)
punkbass - Sumeria (15-16 GMT)
Modo - Russia (15-23 GMT)

Map Creator - Sir Ralph


Final setup:

Huge map
Monarch,
Pangea,
60% water,
Arid,
Warm,
5 Billion,

The rules and the basic setup will be modified. You have been warned.

We will be playing on a Huge map to leave space for the barbarians to roam. No, this is not a joke, yes, the game might get long. Sir Ralph will prapare the map for us. He'll set it up to give us roughly equal locations, roughly equal distances to each other and roughly equal chances of getting slaughtered by the barbs. (Thank you Sir Ralph and others who have answered my PMs.)

To make sure we don't get defenses too easy, no Militaristic civs are allowed. Also, Greece and Carthage don't play, because their UUs would give too much of an avantage in this game.

Rule changes. The "weak" barbarian unit will be the Swordsman (3/2/1). The "strong" barbarians will be modified Keshiks (4/3/3, 2 defensive bombard, enslave resulting in Archers, +1 HP). The barbarian ships will be modified Dromons (2/1/4, 2 bombard, +1 HP). We will have no bonuses when fighting barbarians. Settling in Desert, Jungle and Tundra tiles will be disabled. Irrigating Desert tiles will be disabled. Clearing wetlands will require the knowledge of Invention.

The option "NoAIPatrol=0" will be set by the last player in the turn order, to make the barbs a little more vicious (PTW behaviour - they will patrol if without targets, instead of fortifying).

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	11-11-2004 17:25									#2
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nice pic indeed Paddy, as usual

	11-11-2004 22:54									#3
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cheers mate

and 4000BC to Lord "1889" Pakal

Last edited by Paddy the Scot on 11-11-2004 at 23:01

	11-11-2004 23:34									#4
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For too long the nomadic Mayan tribe kept on the move to avoid the barbarian raids. In the 40th year of their exodus a young warrior named Pakal said he would run no more.

The weary people were relieved to hear. They put down their belongings and named him their chief.

Pakal knew his people were not warriors, but he knew also that they had strengths the barbarians would soon learn to respect.

To Snoopy the fearsome

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	12-11-2004 07:51									#5
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The Arabs have forwarded the save on to the Beta Despot, second in a long line of despots named after greek characters.

	12-11-2004 08:38									#6
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The Babylonian people know nothing of these so-called Greeks. Although, I , Beta I of Babylon, do acknowledge the ancestry of Alpha XII, my recently deceased father. For centuries, my father, and his father before him, have led our people in a nomadic lifestyle, wandering around this vast land.

But finally, in a sheltered valley where resources are plentiful, and yet the great mountain of fire, Mount Solaris, is still visible, we have settled a homeland.

We know our land is inhabited by ruthless tribes of barbarians - we have met them in our past - and we are now preparing for when there are ...

Barbarians at the Gate!!!!

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	12-11-2004 08:42									#7
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And oh yes - save to the heroine of legends told far and wide ....... Makahlua, the Warrior Princess.

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	12-11-2004 20:21									#8
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AND WHY ARE WE PLAYING AP?????

Oh, anybody have Punkbass' email?

[EDIT: Don't worry.....found it]

	12-11-2004 20:22									#9
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punkbass TA gmail TOD com

	12-11-2004 20:25									#10
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That was damn quick!

	12-11-2004 20:32									#11
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I try

Anyone have Modo's?

	12-11-2004 21:01									#12
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Aqualung, did you mean accelerated production? Because if you did, we'll have to restart the game with this option turned off. It just doesn't make sense to handicap us against barbs and then give us the means to fight them.

Still, my addy will be needed, so:
ansaw TA poczta TOD onet TOD pl (it's "onet" alright)

	12-11-2004 21:15									#13
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I also was dissapointed to see AP, but wont ask for a restart.

	12-11-2004 21:20									#14
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Sent.

	12-11-2004 21:25									#15
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Modo, yes I did mean AP.....and I don't like it at all....screws up EVERYTHING! So if you all don't mind, I'd prefer the restart.

	12-11-2004 21:30									#16
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ok, I will restart it now

	12-11-2004 21:36									#17
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it now only has:

Domination Victory

and

Conquest Victory

	12-11-2004 21:43									#18
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quote: Originally posted by Paddy the Scot it now only has: Domination Victory and Conquest Victory

Why? It will be less embarrassing for you if I get a Space Victory.

	12-11-2004 21:50									#19
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quote: Originally posted by Paddy the Scot cheers mate and 4000BC to Lord "1889" Pakal

de ja vu

	12-11-2004 21:55									#20
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quote: Originally posted by 1889 Why? It will be less embarrassing for you if I get a Space Victory.

indeed

these are the settings from Sir Ralph - the Map Creator

AP was there, I just turned this off

	12-11-2004 21:58									#21
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Paddy, no messing with things, please. The rules are set and that's it. I didin't mention victory conditions, because they were to be standard. Same goes for AP. Now please, get this done right.

You want to choose the settings - go ahead and start another PBEM yourself. :hint:

	12-11-2004 22:07									#22
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quote: Originally posted by Modo44 Paddy, no messing with things, please. The rules are set and that's it. I didin't mention victory conditions, because they were to be standard. Same goes for AP. Now please, get this done right. You want to choose the settings - go ahead and start another PBEM yourself. :hint:

Modo,

please know that I have not messed with anything

I just turn off the AP

and then reported that there were two victory conditions already there

if you have issues with the victory conditions, then they can be removed, and you may want to ask the map creator on why they are there

I was just stating the facts

if you would like me out, then it is your game and that is fine, sorry to have upset you

please let me know

	12-11-2004 22:14									#23
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I don't get it. How can you turn AP on and off and not be able to switch victory conditions.

Anyway, I'll PM Sir Ralph to ask him what's going on.

And no, I don't want you out, how did you come up with that one? Doh, it's a game, nothing to become upset about.

Here, you might want this to cheer you up a bit.

	12-11-2004 22:16									#24
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On to Snoop-Dog with the restart, but it seems a bit of time to discuss settings would be in order.

It's all up to Modo, but I would prefer no AP with all victory conditions on.

Also, I think we should be able to irrigate desert.

	12-11-2004 22:17									#25
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quote: Originally posted by Modo44 I didin't mention victory conditions, because they were to be standard. Same goes for AP.

AP is certainly not standard. And it makes a HUGE difference to the way the game unfolds.

	12-11-2004 22:18									#26
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quote: Originally posted by 1889 Why? It will be less embarrassing for you if I get a Space Victory.

Now that's a typical response from our resident Space Cadet

	12-11-2004 22:21									#27
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Modo,

I can very easily change the victory conditions

that is no issue at all

I was just not changing anything that was in the game Sir Ralph sent me

the game can be restarted any moment you want

as for out, well you :hint:ed something

so do you want this restarted with no victory conditions
for this I would reccommend we use space race
this may help 1889 though

	12-11-2004 22:27									#28
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quote: Originally posted by Paddy the Scot so do you want this restarted with no victory conditions for this I would reccommend we use space race this may help 1889 though

No victory conditions eh?

Maybe we can just restart each week and vote someone off the thread.

	12-11-2004 22:30									#29
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Please restart the game with all standard victory conditions on and with AP turned off. Let's play.

My haed aches. I need a drink.

	12-11-2004 22:37									#30
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quote: Originally posted by 1889 No victory conditions eh? Maybe we can just restart each week and vote someone off the thread.

Hey yeh....Civ3 Survivor