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Ramo is offline Ramo
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The planet in which all this happened heavily supported Kerry.

OMGUGHGHE PNNNED

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Huh.
Quick look at the sorry camp and it seems that they all are holding up their own writing to confirm that the pictures are not just random pics with some text which could have been added by anybody.
The not sorry side has a lot of pictures that don't have this. Looks like just random pics, many gun carrying guns, so yeah they must love Bush anyway right?

I wonder why that is. But hey, if the notsorry site is cheating atleast that means the guy who is doing that is extra notsorry for the rest of US.

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As if he needed a sign to tell us that ...

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Just for the record, the guy in the "America, **** Yeah" picture is not me; that ***** is the creator of weresorry.com. It's a photoshopped spoof of the original picture that started it all. And it was made by an American, Jeff over at Protein Wisdom.

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Well since I don't know which pics Stefu was trying to post, I suppose I'll take the liberty of picking some of the cuter ones.... Rebuplican chicks Where is Ben?







And finally... guns and girl.


I hate to tell you but all these chicks are buttugly... hardly good advertising for the bushfans imo

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You know that you have my utmost respect AH, but I don't really follow your logic on this one. Who exactly are Bush supporters supposed to fear? Most of the Bush opponents are losers and/or pussies...


Required reading in the aftermath of the US election should be Richard Hofstadter's The Paranoid Style in American Politics. He explained all this back in the 1960's, and the analysis hasn'really changed all that much.

Bush supporters -- at least the ones in the pictures AH is talking about -- fear modernity, and rightly.

They fear a world in which rich, successful countries are secular, and poor, backwards countries are fervently religious...because where does that leave them?

They fear an America in which the only jobs left require either extensive, quality education or the ability to work the deep fryer...because where does that leave them?

There fear that the fundamental promise of America -- that if you work hard, you'll get ahead, and your children will do even better than you did -- is pretty much over...and where does that leave them?

They fear their own invisibility, because in the wider popular culture they are either invisible or objects of ridicule. Movies and TV are full of people with education, high paying jobs, glamorous wardrobes, who are more likely to be seen at a gay nightclub than in a church. They, by contrast, are represented only as the foils of Paris Hilton and Nicole Ritchie, or as the guests on Jerry Springer. So where does that leave them?

They fear that the world, especially the West, and more especially America, is headed in directions with which they fundamentally disagree. They know that they are powerless to stop it, because all the decisions are being made by people -- of whatever ideological bent -- who are fundamentally unlike them. And they know, deep down, that even Bush is not going to make their lives one tiny bit better, or at all stop their collective downward slides (jobs are going to keep getting outsourced, health care is not going to get more affordable, high-paying blue-collar jobs are not coming back, etc.).

They should be frightened. The world is passing them by, they're living on borrowed time, and they know it.

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I agree with RTF's analysis. We have a similar phenomenon here in Australia where a conservative government is being kept in office by the anti-globalisation "loser" parts of the country.

Conservatives have found a powerful formula for staying in power with "God and guns" anti government platforms. The best part is they get to govern but they don't have to do anything to help the people who elected them because "they don't want handouts", they want to be free to be poor. Its brilliant really when you think about it.

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Required reading in the aftermath of the US election should be Richard Hofstadter's The Paranoid Style in American Politics.


I'll have to check it out. I read something of Hofstadter's before and remember being impressed by it. Can't remember exactly what it was, though; I think it was a piece on the rise of China in Foreign Affairs, but I'm not sure.

Now, if only there were a decent English language library anywhere near me...

edit: Well, given that Hofstadter died in 1970, I must be mistaken. What the hell was it that I read?

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Rufus T. Firefly

* big snip *


Dude, you should post more often, you're the most sane voice in here.
PS: what happened to our Greek friend btw ( not Markos, the other one )

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Dude, you should post more often, you're the most sane voice in here.




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PS: what happened to our Greek friend btw ( not Markos, the other one )


I wonder that, too. If all the recent talk of Turkey and the EU couldn't bring him out of the woodwork, I'm guessing he's gone for good.

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Originally posted by Rufus T. Firefly


Required reading in the aftermath of the US election should be Richard Hofstadter's The Paranoid Style in American Politics. He explained all this back in the 1960's, and the analysis hasn'really changed all that much.

Bush supporters -- at least the ones in the pictures AH is talking about -- fear modernity, and rightly.

They fear a world in which rich, successful countries are secular, and poor, backwards countries are fervently religious...because where does that leave them?

They fear an America in which the only jobs left require either extensive, quality education or the ability to work the deep fryer...because where does that leave them?

There fear that the fundamental promise of America -- that if you work hard, you'll get ahead, and your children will do even better than you did -- is pretty much over...and where does that leave them?

They fear their own invisibility, because in the wider popular culture they are either invisible or objects of ridicule. Movies and TV are full of people with education, high paying jobs, glamorous wardrobes, who are more likely to be seen at a gay nightclub than in a church. They, by contrast, are represented only as the foils of Paris Hilton and Nicole Ritchie, or as the guests on Jerry Springer. So where does that leave them?

They fear that the world, especially the West, and more especially America, is headed in directions with which they fundamentally disagree. They know that they are powerless to stop it, because all the decisions are being made by people -- of whatever ideological bent -- who are fundamentally unlike them. And they know, deep down, that even Bush is not going to make their lives one tiny bit better, or at all stop their collective downward slides (jobs are going to keep getting outsourced, health care is not going to get more affordable, high-paying blue-collar jobs are not coming back, etc.).

They should be frightened. The world is passing them by, they're living on borrowed time, and they know it.




Man, that was one of the best posts ever.

The common theme: fear

The part that is the most promising: borrowed time

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The whole West is living on borrowed time...

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DAMN are republicans lazy, they mostly just photoshop in their Pro-Bush messages.

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Interesting...

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Interesting...


Yeah, Utah, Nevada and North Dakota were well known for all their slaves.......




ACK!

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Although the practice was never widespread, some Utah pioneers held African-American slaves until 1862 when Congress abolished slavery in the territories.


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Slavery was legal in Utah as a result of the Compromise of 1850, which brought California into the Union as a free state while allowing Utah and New Mexico territories the option of deciding the issue by "popular sovereignty." Some Mormon pioneers from the South had brought African-American slaves with them when they migrated west. Some freed their slaves in Utah; others who went on to California had to emancipate them there.

The Mormon church had no official doctrine for or against slaveholding, and leaders were ambivalent. In 1836 Joseph Smith wrote that masters should treat slaves humanely and that slaves owed their owners obedience. During his presidential campaign in 1844, however, he came out for abolition. Brigham Young tacitly supported slaveholding, declaring that although Utah was not suited for slavery the practice was ordained by God. In 1851 Apostle Orson Hyde said the church would not interfere in relations between master and slave.








http://historytogo.utah.gov/slavery.html

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Most Northerners didn't oppose slavery, they opposed the expansion of slavery. They wanted to keep the west white man's land, free of blacks. Most poor Southerners didn't care about slavery one way or another. They didn't own slaves, they couldn't afford to. That's why West Virginia borke away from Virginia, and thats why the Appalachian south was largely unionist. Poor Southerners thought blacks were inferior, but so did almost everyone else. The only people who really cared about defending slavery were the rich Southern plantation owners, whose way of life depended on slavery. They wanted to extend into the territories because if geographic limitations on slavery would ultimately lead to limitations on the political power of the Southern plantation owner. That map is meaningless if you're referring to Civil War attitudes on racial tolerance or equality.

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Bollocks

The war was fought technically to oppose the rebellion but the spirit of it came alive when it became the cause to end slavery

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Bollocks

The war was fought technically to oppose the rebellion but the spirit of it came alive when it became the cause to end slavery


... as read from the perspective of someone from the 21st century

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That differs from you how?

I'm glad you have a time machine and are currently conducting 1861 opinon polls.

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Bollocks
If that were so the Gettysburg Address would have freed all slaves and not just those currently in rebellion. PWND!

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If that were so the Gettysburg Address would have freed all slaves and not just those currently in rebellion. PWND!


When you get the right document we'll talk.

PWND!

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I liked this one.

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That differs from you how?

I'm glad you have a time machine and are currently conducting 1861 opinon polls.


Study some history... read some first hand historical documents, read some of Lincoln's writings and speeches... I'm not saying that there weren't abolitionists (there certainly were), I'm saying that they were clearly a minority voice and certainly not the driving force behind the war.

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Damn. That site really doesn't link well.

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When you get the right document we'll talk.
That's the only relevent one. Still PWND!

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Yet abolition became the driving force of the war.


Sorta like when the President convinced a bunch of people to invade a country because they supposedly had weapons of mass destruction they were going to give to terrorists.

 
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