17-11-2004 00:18									#31
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quote: These "burgers" are just a reactionary commie attempt to undermine obvious consumer trends.

No, Hardees is selling its products great. The consumer trends point to a backlash from the health food crap of other fast food places!

quote: 1. BY that adminission you are NOT a typical fast food customer.

Of course I am. Hamburgers aren't the only fast food, GePap. Quiznos is a fast food place, KFC is a fast food place, Taco Bell, Subway, etc, etc.

quote: 2. For that much money you could go elsewhere and get a better tasting meal.

Better tasting? Nah. Those thickburgers are freaking wonderful!

	17-11-2004 00:23									#32
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui No, Hardees is selling its products great. The consumer trends point to a backlash from the health food crap of other fast food places!

Any evidence for this? Retreachment amongst the big players in the field?

quote: Of course I am. Hamburgers aren't the only fast food, GePap. Quiznos is a fast food place, KFC is a fast food place, Taco Bell, Subway, etc, etc.

Are you a loyal customer of any of them? With what frequency do you visit these places? And the "healthyness of each of these types is very different.

quote: Better tasting? Nah. Those thickburgers are freaking wonderful!

Maybe I am wrong to assume you have ever tasted a real meal?

	17-11-2004 00:32									#33
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quote: Any evidence for this?

Well this is just for 1st Q of 2004 (haven't found other info).

CKE Restaurants (NYSE: CKR), which operates the Hardee's and Carl's Jr. chains, last night reported fiscal first-quarter financial results that should please investors. The company said same-store sales at both chains improved year-over-year, and profit margins improved despite the rising meat and cheese costs that other chains, such as Papa John's (Nasdaq: PZZA) and Bob Evans (Nasdaq: BOBE), have bemoaned.

quote: Are you a loyal customer of any of them? With what frequency do you visit these places? And the "healthyness of each of these types is very different.

I'd say Quiznos sees me quite often. And yes, the healthyness is very different, but that doesn't mean they ain't fast food .

quote: Maybe I am wrong to assume you have ever tasted a real meal?

'Real meals' can pale next to a nice hamburger . Maybe I'm wrong to assume you've ever tasted a Thickburger? Better than a vast majority of burgers on the backyard grill.

	17-11-2004 00:38									#34
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Where I am concerned, In n Out's burger own them all.

	17-11-2004 00:39									#35
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I was driving across I-90 in Ohio this past Sunday and stopped for lunch. The only choice was Hardee's. I wasn't enthused.

[digress] Back when I was a college lad (70s), Hardees had a rep as a low-rent Macdonalds -- burgers were smaller and cheaper. You went there when you had the craving but were pretty broke. As I usually was.
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So imagine my surprise when I walked in and found that the SMALLEST burger was 1/3-pound. AND that there were two BIGGER sizes on the menu.

Amazing.

I think the anti-diet vibe is a great marketing gimmick.
The place was full of guilty-pleasure seekers.

	17-11-2004 00:39									#36
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One day I'd like to try one of theirs .

	17-11-2004 00:46									#37
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui quote: Any evidence for this? Well this is just for 1st Q of 2004 (haven't found other info). CKE Restaurants (NYSE: CKR), which operates the Hardee's and Carl's Jr. chains, last night reported fiscal first-quarter financial results that should please investors. The company said same-store sales at both chains improved year-over-year, and profit margins improved despite the rising meat and cheese costs that other chains, such as Papa John's (Nasdaq: PZZA) and Bob Evans (Nasdaq: BOBE), have bemoaned.

Since when do good profits for a mid-sized chain all of a sudden equal a massive consumer backlash? Whan McD's, BK, and Wendy's stop adding salads and one up themselves with heart-busting new offers, then you can talk.

quote: I'd say Quiznos sees me quite often. And yes, the healthyness is very different, but that doesn't mean they ain't fast food .

Correct- so the point of fast food is not just high fat, as you claimed.

quote: 'Real meals' can pale next to a nice hamburger . Maybe I'm wrong to assume you've ever tasted a Thickburger? Better than a vast majority of burgers on the backyard grill.

No, I have never had a "thickburger", since I have said, I do have some moderation every so often. Of course, I also eat Chicharron (deep fried pork skins, in Panama fried in Lard) or Lechon (slow roasted garlic infused pork.....), or fried pork with fried Yucca....YUM! (Thought I forget how religious you are and whether you ever have any pork products).

	17-11-2004 00:48									#38
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You could cut that burger into thirds and have three meals a day for $5.50.

	17-11-2004 00:52									#39
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quote: Whan McD's, BK, and Wendy's stop adding salads and one up themselves with heart-busting new offers, then you can talk.

You mean when Wendy's discontinued their salad bars, stuff like that?

Hardees:
Going to a Fast Food joint for "healthy" food:
Going to a Fast Food joint for a salad:
Hardees:

	17-11-2004 00:54									#40
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jesus christ that thing is huge

	17-11-2004 00:54									#41
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quote: Since when do good profits for a mid-sized chain all of a sudden equal a massive consumer backlash? Whan McD's, BK, and Wendy's stop adding salads and one up themselves with heart-busting new offers, then you can talk.

It's just the start. Hardees is picking up the slack and soon the McD's will know they got to go back to those people. Their Big Mac, after all, is their best selling item.

quote: Correct- so the point of fast food is not just high fat, as you claimed.

No, I said HAMBURGER places should be high fat and high carb when I want a burger. And I said they know what people want when they go to fast food places... and that is GOOD food, low fat burgers aren't as good.

quote: Of course, I also eat Chicharron (deep fried pork skins, in Panama fried in Lard) or Lechon (slow roasted garlic infused pork.....), or fried pork with fried Yucca....YUM! (Thought I forget how religious you are and whether you ever have any pork products).

Yes, I have had pork, but a good juicy burger every once in a while... mmm... better than anything else out there.

	17-11-2004 00:55									#42
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Those salads have more calories than most burgers in the end. Plus, salads based on iceberg lettuce? UGGH

	17-11-2004 00:58									#43
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui It's just the start. Hardees is picking up the slack and soon the McD's will know they got to go back to those people. Their Big Mac, after all, is their best selling item.

It's called a niche market. Oh, and Fries are McD's biggest seller, always have been.

quote: No, I said HAMBURGER places should be high fat and high carb when I want a burger. And I said they know what people want when they go to fast food places... and that is GOOD food, low fat burgers aren't as good.

The taste of a hambuger is not based solely on fat content. Supposedly In an Out burgers are thin patties.

quote: Yes, I have had pork, but a good juicy burger every once in a while... mmm... better than anything else out there.

You sir, are nuts.

	17-11-2004 01:00									#44
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quote: Originally posted by Sava jesus christ that thing is huge

Makes you want to roll up a 'j' and tackle that thing eh?

I just love how In n Out's 4x4 cheeseburger (4 slices of cheese and 4 hamburger patties)'s price come out as 4.20

	17-11-2004 01:01									#45
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quote: It's called a niche market.

No, it really isn't.

quote: Oh, and Fries are McD's biggest seller, always have been.

Fries are a side.

quote: The taste of a hambuger is not based solely on fat content. Supposedly In an Out burgers are thin patties.

Just because the patties are thin doesn't mean they are fat free.

quote: You sir, are nuts.

You, sir, have never had a good burger.

	17-11-2004 01:01									#46
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I demand the Gallonburger, 128 ounces of pure ground steakmeat

With a diet coke of course.

	17-11-2004 01:02									#47
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Hardees

	17-11-2004 01:05									#48
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui No, it really isn't.

Hardees is what? In thebottom 5 of the top ten fast food chains?

quote: Fries are a side.

Read Fast Food Nation- fries have always been the biggest seller at McD's.

quote: Just because the patties are thin doesn't mean they are fat free.

4 ounces of beef with some fat is different from 9 ounces of beef with fat. The issue with these burgers are not that the meat is no lean- its the huge amount plus the bacon and cheese.

quote: You, sir, have never had a good burger.

Actually, I have. You just are nuts to think a patty of ground beef, even a top notch one, can be a pinnacle of good tasting food.

	17-11-2004 01:05									#49
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Gepap -

Don't eat it, then. I won't either, for that matter.

-Arrian

	17-11-2004 01:06									#50
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quote: Those salads have more calories than most burgers in the end.

Good. I'm sick and tired of all this low-cal food anyway. Anywhere I turn, there's low-fat this, sugarfree that, and low-cal yon. One day they're gonna put aspartame in my pasta. It drives me insane!

The problem isn't plenty of calories, but people with the metabolic rates of granite.

	17-11-2004 01:08									#51
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quote: Originally posted by GePap With a diet coke of course.

You, sir, are evil.

	17-11-2004 01:12									#52
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quote: Hardees is what? In thebottom 5 of the top ten fast food chains?

A niche market is being in the top 10 chains? And are we not counting the fact that BK sells a ton of Whoppers and McD's sells a ton of Big Macs?

quote: Read Fast Food Nation- fries have always been the biggest seller at McD's.

I'll post it again, 'fries are a side'... so what? They are also probably less healthy than any burger they sell... that gives them their good taste.

quote: The issue with these burgers are not that the meat is no lean- its the huge amount plus the bacon and cheese.

So don't eat it. Plenty of people will to make Hardees turn a profit.

quote: Actually, I have. You just are nuts to think a patty of ground beef, even a top notch one, can be a pinnacle of good tasting food.

It seems like you really haven't had a good burger. If you've never had a craving for a thick, juicy burger then I shudder to think what you consider a 'good burger'.

	17-11-2004 01:27									#53
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui A niche market is being in the top 10 chains? And are we not counting the fact that BK sells a ton of Whoppers and McD's sells a ton of Big Macs?

As the article you yourself pointed out, those don;t come close to this monster. And even most Hardees customers won;t be having this monster.

quote: I'll post it again, 'fries are a side'... so what? They are also probably less healthy than any burger they sell... that gives them their good taste.

Fries are not just a "side" I bet a lot of people buy some "healthy" item and a fries too. And yes, they used to be pretty unhealthy, as they were ocne cooked in beef tallow-but after lawsuits from vegetarians and hindus and so forth they now use vegetable oil.

quote: So don't eat it. Plenty of people will to make Hardees turn a profit.

Since when is this a "don't eat it" issue? You claimed some imagined customer backlash against healthier food at fast food locals. Thats the arguement.

quote: It seems like you really haven't had a good burger. If you've never had a craving for a thick, juicy burger then I shudder to think what you consider a 'good burger'.

Satisfying a craving is different from saying a burger is better than some real meal- of course when you have a craving something will taste good- that is not to say that if I have a craving for peanuts, I will claim good peanuts are the best food EVER....

	17-11-2004 01:41									#54
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I'm pissed at Hardees because they dropped fried chicken from the menu.

	17-11-2004 01:42									#55
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Popeyes pwnzz all other fast food fried chicken

to KFC! and Church's, and other wannabees

	17-11-2004 01:44									#56
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What a whimpish little burger

No, if you want a big burger, then try the "BUGGI dobbelt bacon-cheese" at http://www.densortegryde.dk if you ever come to denmark.

That thingie weight 1.8 Kilo (3.6 pound) and it doesn't cost more than 59 Kr ~ 7.4$. Sadly enough, they only have the price list - no pics, but then, you'll problably need a 21" screen to see it all

	17-11-2004 01:45									#57
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Popeyes does rock.

Hardees chicken wasn't that bad. Better than KFC imo, far better than Church's, and that crap they sell at Bojangles doesn't even merit the name "chicken."

	17-11-2004 01:48									#58
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Bojangles?

That one never made it far, now did it?

	17-11-2004 01:50									#59
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui

I'll take two "to go". But please, hold the mayo. I'm watching my weight.

	17-11-2004 01:51									#60
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Probably not.

http://www.bojangles.com/bojangles/home/day.html

Though they have some in NY, including Brooklyn, Staten Island, Hempstead, and Hampton Bays.