20-11-2004 15:24									#31
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quote: Originally posted by Skanky Burns He has 360% of the points I do, but I have an infinite % more than you.

How will I sleep tonight?

	20-11-2004 22:28									#32
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Woah. Man, this thing is so much more ... uhhh, difficult, than SETI@Home. Back when I tried that thing on my laptop, it was done in like four-five hours, one set of data. This thing has been running for 11 hours now, and it's only... ... 15% done. Even though my system's rating thingey is 110.

	21-11-2004 04:20									#33
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I'm in, but I'm not going to bother checking it. It'll auto-pilot, right?

	21-11-2004 06:18									#34
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Yep, Zopper. It even updates the client on its own.

	21-11-2004 07:38									#35
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I already run folding@home.

Is there a good reason I should switch? Aren't they doing the same thing (folding protein simulations)?

	21-11-2004 08:56									#36
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http://www.worldcommunitygrid.org/f...?thread=251#490

quote: Folding@home and the Human Proteome folding project are VERY-VERY-VERY different. Folding@home aims to get at the science of how a small number of proteins of KNOWN structure fold dynamically. Folding@home is a project to further understanding of the folding process itself. They use a technique termed "molecular dynamics". The Human Proteome Folding Project (this project) will predict the structures of proteins of UNKNOWN-structure, lots of them, tons of them. The aim of this project is to get structures and functions for huge numbers of proteins so that biologists and biomedical researchers who run into these mystery proteins in their research can look to our database for functional/mechanistic clues about their favorite mystery-proteins. Both projects are good stuff, one is for Physics peeps and one is for biologists For more info on all this stuff see our site (including pictures of proteins): http://www.systemsbiology.org/Defau...e=humanproteome

	21-11-2004 09:05									#37
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18% in 11 hours. Its really chugging along now!!!

	21-11-2004 12:49									#38
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A newwwww list.

The time it takes to complete a packet depends on the complexity of the protein. Some are very complex and take a lootttt of time.

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This has been downloaded 184 time(s).

	21-11-2004 13:02									#39
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Hmmm, weird. At about 24hr mark and 40%, it just reset back to zero. I wonder what went wrong. Oh well.

	21-11-2004 19:06									#40
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Mine didnīt complete anything AFAIK and it seems that started a new one 3hs ago (0.4%)

	21-11-2004 20:46									#41
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I've been reassigned for the third time in eight hours; this is becoming tedious.

	21-11-2004 21:09									#42
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Yup, mine just did it again. Quite unreliable this thing... Uninstalling it now.

	22-11-2004 04:04									#43
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quote: Originally posted by Asher Yep, Zopper. It even updates the client on its own.

Ugh. No wonder I have to keep authorising its access to the internet each time it completes a packet. I leave my computer for a few days only to find it was sitting idle most of that time...

	22-11-2004 08:01									#44
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quote: Originally posted by Skanky Burns Ugh. No wonder I have to keep authorising its access to the internet each time it completes a packet. I leave my computer for a few days only to find it was sitting idle most of that time...

As I said in the other thread, it looks like a ZoneAlarm bug.

The client hasn't been updated in about a month, before the Grid went live. And it hasn't been an issue on both of my computers with ZoneAlarm & the Grid on it.

	22-11-2004 14:26									#45
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sounds like a great idea

will be interested in joining when it has settled a bit and seems to flow well

	23-11-2004 00:49									#46
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I uninstalled it as well, I cannot make a valuable contribution if the program keeps restarting an assignment

	23-11-2004 02:16									#47
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The restarting is normal, and you get your points for them the next time you return a successful packet:

quote: A "work unit" consists of various data including the protein sequence. The longer the sequence the "harder" it is to predict the fold. Longer sequence proteins take longer to process (sometimes much longer). Due to the nature of the work, it's impossible to predict how long any specific work unit may take. i.e. it's non-determinsitic. That's really the beauty of putting this on a grid: it's a difficult computation problem. Sometimes a work unit may not "converge" as we call it. This means it just hasn't found any way to fold this specific protein in a given amount of time and gives up. When it determines it can't converge it just stops working on it, sends it back (telling us it didn't converge) and you get a new work unit. However, it will try very, very hard before it gives up. This would explain why you saw it processing for probably 4 hours and still be at 0.0%...then suddenly you saw it go to 0.4% and the CPU time went down. Points-wise, you should still get credit for the effort though. Have some faith in that you really are helping to promote our understanding of the human proteome. If this was easy to do, we wouldn't have put it on the grid! ---------------------------------------- Rick Alther World Community Grid Application Developer

	23-11-2004 13:25									#48
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Silly people giving up because their computer's crunching gets nowhere within a few days/tries.

I know what research is like - signed up and joined.

AWESOME idea.

	23-11-2004 13:36									#49
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is this something that us dial-uper's can get into?

	23-11-2004 17:46									#50
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I think you can, the installer asks what Inet connection you have.
The amount of data downloaded by the client is around 400Kb, and the client is just 1.5Mb.

	23-11-2004 17:53									#51
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quote: Originally posted by Asher The restarting is normal, and you get your points for them the next time you return a successful packet:

Hey, cool

quote: Originally posted by MrWhereItsAt Silly people giving up because their computer's crunching gets nowhere within a few days/tries.

It's frustrating when other people get ten percent per hour while you don't even reach four percent in six hours.

	23-11-2004 17:56									#52
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I was at 0.8% after 8 hours. It gave up sometime after that, but I still got points for the processing time.

	23-11-2004 18:13									#53
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quote: Originally posted by Paddy the Scot is this something that us dial-uper's can get into?

Its working fine on my dial-up connection at the moment. It takes a while between packets, but then I'm used to DSL speeds.

	23-11-2004 23:10									#54
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* DrSpike points and laughs at dial-up users.

	24-11-2004 19:15									#55
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quote: Originally posted by Skanky Burns I was at 0.8% after 8 hours. It gave up sometime after that, but I still got points for the processing time.

Thatīs because itīs doing a very complex protein, the same happened to me but now after 17hs itīs at 24%.

	25-11-2004 03:42									#56
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* Skanky Burns takes the opportunity to announce that he now has unwired broadband!
My crappy dial-up modem is back into storage. Hooray for technology!

My next protein is much better, 10% after 1 hour.

	25-11-2004 04:42									#57
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quote: Originally posted by Skanky Burns My crappy dial-up modem is back into storage. Hooray for technology!

That's more like it.

	25-11-2004 04:45									#58
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You can say that again.

	25-11-2004 07:38									#59
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How stable is this and does it end up sucking alot of your resources? I wouldn't mind installing it if I could cap the amount of CPU and bandwidth it was allowed.

	25-11-2004 07:49									#60
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It only uses "spare" cycles and spare net connections. It uses all the spare cpu cycles when you allow it to run, but if you want your computer to run something else then the program does not run again until the cpu is once again unoccupied.