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Kassiopeia is offline Kassiopeia
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The dancing is not mandatory, you can skip it if you like and it won't have too big an impact on the game. The same can be said for many things in Pirates!.

I shouldn't have gotten this, now I'm torn between HL2 and this.

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Hey, nice avatar, Dissident.

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Thanks for the input on dancing, fellows.

It's frustrating when I purchase a game only to find that spoken dialogues or whatever are critical to playing and there's no subtitles or anything like that. It's extremely difficult to persuade the store to take back the game due to concerns of people making illegal copies or whatnot.

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I can remember playing the original night after night on my C64 while in elementry school. Of course that was when Pirates! was considered state of the art. I'm glade to see a new edition has come out and I plan on picking up a copy tomorrow.

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Reading this thread a day or so ago, the dancing part seemed off-putting. Recent posts have restored my interest.
But I'd still like to see a bit of the game.
Is there a demo out there?

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You don't need to listen to the music to do the dance part. You do not use the music as cue but the hand gestures of the lady. The lady does a series of hand gesture, each one is a cue to do a certain dance move. So, the key is to follow the hand gesture. However, the music does help with timing.



They introduced dancing mini game to make the charm trait more appealing. In the original game it was next to useless.

Please note that I haven't played the game yet and these are my observations based on my experience with the original game and what you have posted in this thread.



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And the review author is also incorrect about attacking cities. You can attack by sailing into the city. However, there is no sea battle mini-game when attacking a city, you will automatically be taken to the "chess board" whether you sailed into the city or walked into the city.



Shame they didn't include the sea battle mini-game. Even though I always tended to avoid attacking like that, still, with favourable wind, it had a few applications.

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They introduced dancing mini game to make the charm trait more appealing. In the original game it was next to useless.


I think you are correct. In the original, the player did not have much control over winning the daughter's heart. The dance mini-game gives the player more control over whether or not you successfully win the lady's heart. And the charm trait along with the special shoes item give the player a real measureable bonus in that mini-game.

I think that is why they also added the sneaking in and out of town mini-game. In the original game that was simply a roll of the dice. The dancing and the sneaking in and out of town mini-games eliminate some randomness and give the player more control over the outcome.

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Shame they didn't include the sea battle mini-game. Even though I always tended to avoid attacking like that, still, with favourable wind, it had a few applications.


Well, the turn based battles are so very good that you really don't need a sea battle against cities.

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IGN review.

They gave it a 9.2.


Gamespot Review

They gave it a 9.2.

Conincidence?

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It's a conspiracy .

Damn... 64 MB VRam to play this game . I need a new computer. Funny that a Sid Meier game is making me do that.

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Wait for the Xbox version.

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Wait for the Xbox version.


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Cavalry is brutal in those battles with big cities though. Cavalry can tear all of your units to shreds in the open.

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Wait for the Xbox version.


Yep, that's what I'm going to have to do.

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I haven't really gotten a chance to play Pirates much, but on first impression it seems rather easy and lame - little more than a collection of simple mini-games.

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real men play games on PC's, not kiddie consoles.


Thankfully I don't have a kiddie console.

Cool guys play games on consoles, not dorky PC's

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what decent game does a console have that, a PC doesn't have?

Not pirates I can tell you.

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I haven't really gotten a chance to play Pirates much, but on first impression it seems rather easy and lame - little more than a collection of simple mini-games.


Have you ever played the original?

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Have you ever played the original?



Only briefly.


Was it an easy and lame collection of mini-games too?

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I haven't really gotten a chance to play Pirates much, but on first impression it seems rather easy and lame - little more than a collection of simple mini-games.


Man, you got the wrong mindset. It's about roleplaying, I guess.

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Arr, I've advanced to Swashbuckler Captain. I'm damn happy I managed to marry myself a governor's daughter before I proceeded from Journeyman, because the helpful flickers of the keypad map stop by then, and my dancing so far without them has not been anything to write home about!

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Man, you got the wrong mindset. It's about roleplaying, I guess.


As much as I like to roleplay, I've never been big on pirate settings so the gameplay has to have more sutinance to keep me interested. Just personal taste, I guess.

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Arr, I've advanced to Swashbuckler Captain. I'm damn happy I managed to marry myself a governor's daughter before I proceeded from Journeyman, because the helpful flickers of the keypad map stop by then, and my dancing so far without them has not been anything to write home about!


You are not supposed to marry so soon. You should make a couple informants first, marry at 33-35.

Ah, young folks who never played the original.
And eager to marry too.

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Only briefly.


Was it an easy and lame collection of mini-games too?


Not really........it was something of a classic actually.

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You are not supposed to marry so soon. You should make a couple informants first, marry at 33-35.

Ah, young folks who never played the original.
And eager to marry too.


I think I can still dance with the lassies of other governors even if I am already married. Alas, I can't get the dancing part straight without the help stuff, I'd need to revert two classes down

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You can go to the Gamespot forum where it is being discussed. And yes, according to one person (I have not tried it yet) you can attack a city, but it is a little different.
If you sail into the city, then it is a land battle, that person said to hit the spacebar (?), but I do know that their cannons are really long range.

It is the Classic game put in the Hall of Fame by Gamespot when it first came out back in 1987, true to the gameplay, but more has been added. Also Sid and Jeff are a kidder about the dancing, but info from the Governor's daughter may be important, but right now, I am stumbling over my two left feet, or my peg leg and my other foot.

It is Adventure, but with Strategy (mainly) and harder with RPG elements of gaining through the ranks, and very open-ended. Of course, you are playing against the other Top 10 Pirates in the game (computer controlled), and I have moved up from rank #9 from rank #10 in that List.
There is only scant info in the manual about the Silver Train during the time period of 1600-1620, and the game mentions the Spanish Treasure Fleet during only the menu in the game selecting the time period to play during the 1620-1660 time.
But others have found the Spanish Treasure Fleet (well one ship perhaps), in the default (gain some momentum - practice level of Apprentice), and others clain that each Nationality actually has Treasure Ships. But again Sid and Jeff are not telling much about them, and some of the Players did not know anything about that.
But, to me, to beat Henry Morgan (in the Top Ten List) which by the way has way more points, there has to be those elements in the game.
Unlike the original game, you will not be told as much, except perhaps, from the barmaiden in town, and that usually is only about one Spanish Treasure Ship (which carrys more gold than the other Nationalities).
True to it original form, the graphics are 3D, and dolphins may follow behind your ship, and the game may be tougher (it seems to be to me), and the ship sail faster, but in game the resolution of the graphics can be changed, in game.
The keyboard can be mapped by the KeyBoard.ini file, while there is also a config.ini file.
My computer a 1.8~gHz Celeron is listed as slow.
So the line in the config.ini file "IsMachineSlow=1" is set to true. I think that only has to do with the action scenes of swordfighting the other ship's Captain when needed, and sneaking out of town after being thrown in jail (for that was way slow, when I changed that line above to 0 or false, and now have changed it back to one).
The KeyBoard.ini file is there so laptops can play the game (with a numberpad) but the NumLock is not on, in the game. It is better to use the ol' right hand to play, while the cursor (sword - which changed to a ship's wheel when loading up the game or so) can also be used to see all the info on the different screens of the game.
It is fun, but may be harder, since your crew will not stay content for as long, or happy, as such.

The dancing can be followed using the hand jestures of the daughter except where stated up above.

The ship also seems to sail faster, than before, probably to make it harder, as the map of the Caribbean, is more (way more) detailed. But still I can slide right between those rocks and the shore line of those small islands.

There is also many things added, like Indian settlements, Jesuits settlements, changing economies, and a living map in the game.

The price on me head is on 6000 gold coins, but someone stated that he was up to 55,000 gold coins on his head.

Now, you lowly landlubbers, try your hand at Pirates!
Ya, ol' seadogs.
Ya, Hardies!
Yo! Ho! HO! And a barrel of rum.
Make some dancin' go better!

And, it has beautiful graphics (although by some of today's game they may seem less) but I like them. Some people have some problems with the DVD version (Limited Edition) but I bought the CD version, and have had not one problem with the game. They have mentioned some stability problems are some computers, but it plays perfectly on my computer.
Whether a patch is needed and some faults still remain in the game, I have not played all the way through yet on any level, but other have, and it seems to be working quite allright, or correctly!

Now, go fetch me some rum, for my cup is empty!
Before you walk the Plank!

YAR!

There are special items in the game, to help, with dancing and many other things, and all of that so, there is more in this game, but basically the same game as before when it came out in 1987, and put in the Hall of Fame back then by Gamespot!

With the wind to me back, and the sea up ahead, yeeee!
That little ship moves right along now.

More ships, more action in the graphics, more fun, than ever before!
Animation of a Disney- like cut scenes in certain parts of the game, and the Land Battles are turn-based, and way more enhanced than ever before. Land battles will be a major event now, marching across the land to Panama. Plus finding your lost family by the evil Baron Raymondo (?) and treasure map, and other Pirates in the game to fight, along with the Spanish, the English, the French, and the Dutch!

I give it a 9.7, but then I may just be partial!
But then, perhaps, I am not as dasterdly enough Pirate yet!

And don't forget the older movie -- Roman Polanski's -- Pirates! with Walter Matheuw (sp) to watch. It will be funny, and don't eat the Frog!
(It is about Capt. Red (Robert Bartholeumew) (sp) who is one of the Pirates! in the game also -- but then the movie is downright fun to watch also, and funny!)
Rated PG, I think, but a couple of scenes may have you turn your head, but it is about being a Pirate!

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The price on me head is on 6000 gold coins, but someone stated that he was up to 55,000 gold coins on his head.


I've made it to 26 000 coins myself. The Spanish didn't like me making grabs at their colonies - you can sack them by anchoring down right next to the city and then marching towards it in treasure seeking mode -, their military payrolls AND their treasure ships. I've plundered a French treasure ship once, too.

And I'm #6 in the Pirate Top Ten, woot! I'm a British Duke, a French Baron and a Dutch Colonel, but only a Spanish Captain - but I had a Jesuit mission send a Brother to plead for mercy in my behalf, and now I intend to sack some looty British and French outposts to gain rank with the Spanish. I think the system with the nationalities and your allegiances is flawed, though, you shouldn't be able to advance to highest rank with them ALL. You should have to stick to one of the nations to actually manage anything, whilst irrecovably alienating the others. That'd make for variety in the game and it's just silly to me when I can sack British cities and still get free repairs and upgrades from them.

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Yeah... I just attacked a dutch city (and won the battle), and I went directly in to talk to the mayor in the city, who first said that I've done some bad stuff (like attacking the city I'm visiting now), but because I've also attacked some french ships I got a promotion?
They should have made it so that if I attack a given nationality, I lose one in rank (per ship/city I attack) automaticly (not by talking to the mayor)
Though I still (mostly) play 'hornest', so I don't attack spanish and english cities, since I've got the highest rank by them...

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The rank is only by the Govenor of the town, or city. It is not from the King of the Nationality. If bothering his town too much (with war on ships, or letting Pirates raid ships near the city), then eventually they will seek you down, and hunt you down.

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I get a Duke's treatment no matter which English town I go to, though...?

 
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