18-11-2004 20:15									#1
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Check out these political cartoons:

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tm...41116&e=2&ncid=

http://images.ucomics.com/comics/db/2004/db040407.gif

http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/da...tra.member.html

They are certainly anti-Bush and anti-Condi Rice. They seem rather offensive too. The Danziger cartoon portrays Dr. Rice in a very stereotypical way.

How come the press can get away with such mean cartoons against an african-american woman of such intelligence as Dr. Rice? If any Republican had put out cartoons like that, they'd have the NAACP and ACLU on their behinds in a NY minute.

	18-11-2004 20:19									#2
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The last one requires a login, for of all places, Limbaugh's site.

While they're certainly nasty, I don't think they're particularly racist or misogynist or anything.

Edit: As for Rice's intelligence, who's that relevant to anything? Is it more acceptable to be nasty to stupid women?

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POLITICAL CARTOON SHOWS POLITICIAN IN BAD LIGHT NEWS AT 10.

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What's the one on Limbaugh? It won't let me view it.

	18-11-2004 20:22									#5
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While they're clearly anti-Bush and anti-Rice, I don't see them as really offensive (well, I couldn't see the one on Limbaugh's site).

Over here, our charicaturists often show a Bush with the mental abilities of a 5-year-old. As for Rice being shown as a parrot, well, it seems to be a commonplace conception in the US.

	18-11-2004 20:23									#6
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quote: What's the one on Limbaugh? It won't let me view it.

quote: (well, I couldn't see the one on Limbaugh's site).

Well, guess who's a registered user on that site?

	18-11-2004 20:24									#7
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Never mind, brainfart

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	18-11-2004 20:24									#8
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Not gonna register at Rush's site just to see a cartoon.


The other two are on the nasty side but that's what poltical cartoons do. Been doing that since they started./

	18-11-2004 20:26									#9
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quote: Originally posted by The diplomat Check out these political cartoons: http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tm...41116&e=2&ncid= http://images.ucomics.com/comics/db/2004/db040407.gif http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/da...tra.member.html They are certainly anti-Bush and anti-Condi Rice. They seem rather offensive too. The Danziger cartoon portrays Dr. Rice in a very stereotypical way. How come the press can get away with such mean cartoons against an african-american woman of such intelligence as Dr. Rice? If any Republican had put out cartoons like that, they'd have the NAACP and ACLU on their behinds in a NY minute.

So when Democrats make political cartoons that appear that they are deliberately stereotyping, it's outrageous.

But if Democrats would complain about the same thing done by Republicans, Republicans would scream and shout, "PC NAZI!"


It's funny how double standards work sometimes.

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here's the danziger:

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quote: Originally posted by Azazel quote: What's the one on Limbaugh? It won't let me view it. quote: (well, I couldn't see the one on Limbaugh's site). Well, guess who's a registered user on that site?

Yeah, I'm a Rush 24/7 member and proud of it!

	18-11-2004 20:28									#12
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quote: Originally posted by Boshko What's the one on Limbaugh? It won't let me view it.

I don't know, but I like the ad that they have on that page.

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@ Diplomat. Registered at Rush's site, eh? Not that I'm surprised.

-Arrian

	18-11-2004 20:30									#14
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quote: Originally posted by The diplomat How come the press can get away with such mean cartoons against an african-american woman of such intelligence as Dr. Rice? If any Republican had put out cartoons like that, they'd have the NAACP and ACLU on their behinds in a NY minute.

Again, I couldn't know about the cartoon at Rush's, but those other two don't insult her intelligence (in Doonesbury, it's Bush who couldn't know what Clark said because it's in a book). They insult her ability to take orders, and her general incompetence at HS. Why they're on the nasty side indeed, I don't see anything out of the ordinary, nor anything that has a trait to the fact she's a woman, or black.

	18-11-2004 20:30									#15
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quote: Originally posted by MrFun It's funny how double standards work sometimes.

Why should it be strange to you? Double standards exist on both sides. Increasly on both sides as a matter of fact.

	18-11-2004 20:31									#16
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quote: Originally posted by Sprayber Why should it be strange to you? Double standards exist on both sides. Increasly on both sides as a matter of fact.

so true

	18-11-2004 20:31									#17
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Incidentally, I'm still having a hard time getting over how much Rush L. looks like Archie Bunker. It's uncanny or something.

	18-11-2004 20:32									#18
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Just saw the Danzinger: this one is indeed offensive, as it makes a facile attack against Rice, using her feminity as a way to attack her. I wouldn't say it criticizes Rice because she is a woman (which would be the really mysoginist thing to do), but it's still very tasteless, and hints to sexism.

I wouldn't be surprised if a Feminist organization got uppity about that cartoon.

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quote: Originally posted by Arrian @ Diplomat. Registered at Rush's site, eh? Not that I'm surprised. -Arrian

And even proud of it!

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quote: Originally posted by Spiffor I wouldn't be surprised if a Feminist organization got uppity about that cartoon.

Somehow, I don't think the issue will come up. Just a feeling I get.

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I don't get the danziger at all.

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quote: Originally posted by Sir Ralph And even proud of it!

Why not? I get a monthly newletter, a secret email adress to Rush, all the political parodies, clips from the Rush TV show, the full stack of stuff and I can listen to the entire show commercial free anytime of day or night.

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quote: Originally posted by Last Conformist I don't get the danziger at all.

I think it depicts Rice as unable to understand a complex issue (aluminium tubes)... That's because, as a woman, her "role of a lifetime" is to raise children, not to adress complex issues such as these.

	18-11-2004 20:41									#24
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It would probably help if any of them were funny, but I see no problem with them other than being crap. Are liberals meant to get angry and cry racism because the target is a black woman, or something?

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quote: Originally posted by Gibsie Are liberals meant to get angry and cry racism because the target is a black woman, or something?

I would think that Liberals should applaud the fact that an African-American woman acheived a great education and has risen to the top to become Secretary of State. Instead, we get cartoons from prominent left cartoonists depicting her as ignorant, a puppet of Bush, and good for nothing but staying home and having babies.

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quote: Originally posted by Spiffor I think it depicts Rice as unable to understand a complex issue (aluminium tubes)... That's because, as a woman, her "role of a lifetime" is to raise children, not to adress complex issues such as these.

What's complex about aluminium tubes?

	18-11-2004 20:53									#27
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quote: Originally posted by Last Conformist What's complex about aluminium tubes?

The complexity is that the aluminium tubes could be used for rockets not just in developing nukes. The cartoon is trying to say that Condi Rice was too ignorant to know that the tubes were not being used for nuclear weapons.

	18-11-2004 20:59									#28
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For political cartoons, they're worse than offensive.

They're not funny.

	18-11-2004 21:11									#29
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quote: Originally posted by Spiffor I think it depicts Rice as unable to understand a complex issue (aluminium tubes)... That's because, as a woman, her "role of a lifetime" is to raise children, not to adress complex issues such as these.

I believe its a reference to a scene in Gone with the Wind, in which the black servant says shes knows all about delivering babies.

	18-11-2004 21:13									#30
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quote: Originally posted by lord of the mark I believe its a reference to a scene in Gone with the Wind, in which the black servant says shes knows all about delivering babies. The phrasing is black dialect.