18-11-2004 21:45									#1
	Alexander the great was gay? Backlash stirring in U.S. over gay film Suffering from ads?

I guess he was gay. I just never realized it. He was greek after all. And all greek men are gay.

But to the point.

http://www.nypost.com/entertainment/34381.htm

I don't think americans are ready for a major blockbuster film to have gay themes. We've had several gay pictures in the past. But they were smaller, independant works. This is the first time that I can recall, that we've had a major blockbuster film have a male gay character as the leading man.

And, I believe, this will hurt the movie financially. Because many americans are homophobic. We'll see if it breaks the 100 million mark. How did Troy end up doing btw? I haven't seen it, but I believe that one did well. Hollywood is in a trend doing these historical pics lately.

	18-11-2004 21:48									#2
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The ancient Greek attitude to sexual relations does not fit seamlessly into mordern Western categories of straight/gay.
Seems clear, anyway, that Alex banged men and women alike.

One might have thought that him considering himself a God might be more of a powder keg with the conservative demographic. But then one would have been assuming consies to be rational.

	18-11-2004 21:50									#3
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In and Out?
The Object of my Affection?

	18-11-2004 21:53									#4
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quote: Originally posted by Immortal Wombat In and Out? The Object of my Affection?

never heard of em'

actually I've heard of In and Out. And surprisingly, I watched this film in an airline. It was an airplane crossing the ocean, so maybe they felt they could show a more risque film than inside the U.S.

	18-11-2004 21:53									#5
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Does anyone else from the UK think Farrel looks like Kevin Webster from Coronation Street in that top picture?

	18-11-2004 22:01									#6
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Looks like an honest portrayel of that aspect of Alexander's life.

I can only hope the rest of the movie is as honest. If so, it'll be great.

-Drachasor

	18-11-2004 22:03									#7
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I'm just saying. Don't be too surprised if this film flops.

They spent $150 million on it. It needs to do at least $100 million at the box office (they can probably make up the rest in dvd sales/rentals)

	18-11-2004 22:04									#8
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Oh lordy, I can't wait for this film.

	18-11-2004 22:04									#9
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quote: How did Troy end up doing btw?

Saw it yesterday and

	18-11-2004 22:05									#10
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Of course Alexander was gay. What history books you read mister? Many other great people have also been gay, like many philosophers and mainly all greeks.

Oh and they were banging with little boys too all the time.

Besides, how can you have first name Alexander and NOT be gay? And nickname the Great? If that was described as some kind of wierd non-terminals it would turn into ^gay name^ ^gay-status/main gay^, that's: Alexander the Great.

OH yeah and he did it with his horse too.

	18-11-2004 22:06									#11
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quote: Originally posted by Pekka Of course Alexander was gay. What history books you read mister? Many other great people have also been gay, like many philosophers and mainly all greeks. Oh and they were banging with little boys too all the time. Besides, how can you have first name Alexander and NOT be gay? And nickname the Great? If that was described as some kind of wierd non-terminals it would turn into , that's: Alexander the Great. OH yeah and he did it with his horse too.

In the U.S., our history books don't go into the sexual orientation of it's participants.

	18-11-2004 22:07									#12
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Diss, well of course if it's not significant fact, but your teacher never mentioned it? What a POS racist anti-gay teacher.

If he was blind, you bet your ass it would be 'oh and he was blind too, so that makes it even better'. Of course blindness and gayness is not comparable, but you get the poitn, if it was anything else 'oh and I must present thsi little information on him I have that the book doesn't mention.. he was blind his last two remaining unimportant years'.

****, if he was banging his horse, I want to know about it.

	18-11-2004 22:08									#13
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quote: Originally posted by Dissident I guess he was gay.

Bi

	18-11-2004 22:09									#14
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quote: Originally posted by Dissident I'm just saying. Don't be too surprised if this film flops. They spent $150 million on it. It needs to do at least $100 million at the box office (they can probably make up the rest in dvd sales/rentals)

Well, first, it will be released internationally, so I doubt they will fail to make the money back. And the movie has angelina jolie, more than enough to bring in the ot blooded men.

	18-11-2004 22:09									#15
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quote: Originally posted by Dissident In the U.S., our history books don't go into the sexual orientation of it's participants.

There's an implied Stork delivery service of babies too.

-Drachasor

	18-11-2004 22:11									#16
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Yeah, I wonder if it will do well in the US too. I'm sure world wide sales might help it along too... provided its a good movie.

But I actually saw Farell on Leno last night and he said the movie "didn't push the envelope", so I'm guessing there won't be much, if any, gay scenes. Although the theme alone might be enough to turn alot of fundies away.

	18-11-2004 22:11									#17
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For anyone who cares, I saw the movie on Monday, and it's going to do awful because it's a horrible, almost three hour long mess. I'll elaborate if anyone wants to know...

There is TEH GAY, but nothing explicit, just references to Alexander being "weak for Hephestion's thighs", longing glances, a kiss and whatnot. There's sex scenes at all between Alexander and any other men.

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quote: Originally posted by Lefty Scaevola Bi

I don't believe in bisexuals. they are just kidding themselves. choose one or the other!

	18-11-2004 22:17									#19
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quote: Originally posted by Dissident I don't believe in bisexuals. they are just kidding themselves. choose one or the other!

	18-11-2004 22:17									#20
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quote: Originally posted by Timexwatch For anyone who cares, I saw the movie on Monday, and it's going to do awful because it's a horrible, almost three hour long mess. I'll elaborate if anyone wants to know... There is TEH GAY, but nothing explicit, just references to Alexander being "weak for Hephestion's thighs", longing glances, a kiss and whatnot. There's sex scenes at all between Alexander and any other men.

You didn't mention Angelina Jolie

	18-11-2004 22:23									#21
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She was spectacular looking, as usual, but she had this fake accent that sounded Russian but could be from who knows where.

The accents were one of the worst parts too. Couldn't Farrell at least put on a fake American accent or a Greek one just for this movie? Nothing is more bothersome than Irish, English, American and Russian and Latin accents all together in a period piece...

	18-11-2004 22:34									#22
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quote: Originally posted by Timexwatch She was spectacular looking, as usual, but she had this fake accent that sounded Russian but could be from who knows where. The accents were one of the worst parts too. Couldn't Farrell at least put on a fake American accent or a Greek one just for this movie? Nothing is more bothersome than Irish, English, American and Russian and Latin accents all together in a period piece...

Seriously though, did they screw with ancient battle tactrics anywhere near as badly as Troy did?

	18-11-2004 22:36									#23
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Well at least they got the bi part right. Perhaps that is a symbol of how far we've come... of course this means the fundy right will be out protesting.

	18-11-2004 23:12									#24
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quote: Originally posted by Boshko Seriously though, did they screw with ancient battle tactrics anywhere near as badly as Troy did?

I can't say for certain. There were two battles in the film: versus the Persians where the were outnumbered 5 to 1 (IIRC) where the Greek calvary managed to run through the middle (after having their flanks drawn to the sides) and almost kill the Persian king. There were disciplined phalnaxes, lots of grunting, smashing of heads with rocks and all that blood and gore.

The second battle I don't want to reveal, but I'll say two words: War Elephants.

	18-11-2004 23:13									#25
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I hope they made it abundantly clear that ancient Macedonians were NOT Greeks

	18-11-2004 23:15									#26
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They did initially, but after a while they kind of were used interchangeably.

	18-11-2004 23:42									#27
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quote: Originally posted by lord of the mark I hope they made it abundantly clear that ancient Macedonians were NOT Greeks

close enough

	18-11-2004 23:46									#28
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quote: Originally posted by Timexwatch They did initially, but after a while they kind of were used interchangeably.

That's about right.

	18-11-2004 23:53									#29
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui Well at least they got the bi part right. Perhaps that is a symbol of how far we've come... of course this means the fundy right will be out protesting.

I seem to remember having an argument about this with you about A Beautiful Mind.

You said it wasn't an issue that they ignored the fact that Nash was bisexual, and now you're glad they're including the fact that Alexander was?

	18-11-2004 23:55									#30
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quote: Originally posted by reds4ever Does anyone else from the UK think Farrel looks like Kevin Webster from Coronation Street in that top picture?

Come on Sal', pick the kids up from school i've got a lot on