19-11-2004 00:13									#31
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quote: Originally posted by Dissident I don't think americans are ready for a major blockbuster film to have gay themes. We've had several gay pictures in the past. But they were smaller, independant works. This is the first time that I can recall, that we've had a major blockbuster film have a male gay character as the leading man.

Major blockbuster gay-themed movies:


In & Out

The Birdcage

Too Wong Fu, Thanks for Everything (is title right?)

And the Band Played On (if I'm wrong that this was a major film, feel free to correct me on this one)

Girls Don't Cry

and I think but I'm not sure -- Far From Heaven





Please do refresh your memory before making such statements as the one I quoted from you.

	19-11-2004 00:15									#32
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quote: Originally posted by MrFun Major blockbuster gay-themed movies: In & Out The Birdcage Too Wong Fu, Thanks for Everything (is title right?) And the Band Played On (if I'm wrong that this was a major film, feel free to correct me on this one) Girls Don't Cry and I think but I'm not sure -- Far From Heaven Please do refresh your memory before making such statements as the one I quoted from you.

none of those movies were blockbusters. And none were manly action flicks.

	19-11-2004 00:15									#33
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Philadelphia too - Tom Hanks was gay in that

	19-11-2004 00:21									#34
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quote: none of those movies were blockbusters.

Diss, 'The Birdcage' made over $100 million (blockbuster territory). $123 M to be exact.

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quote: Originally posted by vodkakov Philadelphia too - Tom Hanks was gay in that

DOH




And Diss, ok not all of them were blockbusters, but all the ones I mentioned were mainstream Hollywood films.

	19-11-2004 00:24									#36
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Action flicks are for faggots anyway.

	19-11-2004 00:27									#37
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Gay-themed movies do okay because they're gay themed, and people know to expect to see some queer with a feather boa in them. However, a war movie, clearly aimed at a "normal" demographic may suffer a backlash for trying to pretend that a gay can be a strong male figures, when all god-fearing men know different. It's hard for a man to put a gay into a safe context when there are no Barbara Streisland references in a film to reaffirm our inherent knowledge that they're all a bunch of sissies.

	19-11-2004 05:20									#38
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yeah okay.

I may be wrong. It happens every once in a blue moon. we'll see.

Just watch, there will be people upset about the gay kissing.

It was funny when I watched the movie 28 days later- a british movie. A few people in the audience gasped at the full frontal male nudity.

	19-11-2004 05:24									#39
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That's because they're good Christians and have to pretend they've never seen a penis before.

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quote: Too Wong Fu, Thanks for Everything (is title right?)

You forgot the "Julie Newmar"...

	19-11-2004 05:30									#41
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quote: Originally posted by Dissident It was funny when I watched the movie 28 days later- a british movie. A few people in the audience gasped at the full frontal male nudity.

There was full frontal male nudity in 28 Days Later? Can't recall it even when you mention it.

	19-11-2004 05:30									#42
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He did it with his HORSE? Are you sure??

	19-11-2004 05:32									#43
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quote: Originally posted by Last Conformist There was full frontal male nudity in 28 Days Later? Can't recall it even when you mention it.

Neither can I actually. Maybe it was censored in the UK

	19-11-2004 05:32									#44
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quote: Originally posted by Last Conformist There was full frontal male nudity in 28 Days Later? Can't recall it even when you mention it.

Right at the beginning, when he's in the hospital.

As a sidenote, the US version of Team America removed the sex scene. It's there in all its full glory in Canada, and damn was it funny.

	19-11-2004 05:36									#45
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quote: That's because they're good Christians and have to pretend they've never seen a penis before.

Why would Christians be offended by that... in the Bible Adam and Ave were nude until they ate the apple and learned... was it shame? I dunno. If anything I think they would think god would like them more if they went nude...

	19-11-2004 05:37									#46
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quote: As a sidenote, the US version of Team America removed the sex scene.

No, it didn't. They just had to remove a couple of the more raunchy bits of the sex scene (golden shower, IIRC)...

	19-11-2004 05:40									#47
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quote: Originally posted by Gamecube64 Why would Christians be offended by that... in the Bible Adam and Ave were nude until they ate the apple and learned... was it shame? I dunno. If anything I think they would think god would like them more if they went nude...

Because Christians tend to be conservative, they freak out if someone is naked or having sex.

Don't ask them to be logical, it's not in their nature.

	19-11-2004 08:47									#48
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quote: The second battle I don't want to reveal, but I'll say two words: War Elephants.

Big hammers to the toes?

	19-11-2004 09:02									#49
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quote: I don't think americans are ready for a major blockbuster film to have gay themes.

Trust me, the number of people who would boycott a historical movie of one of the most important people to have ever lived because they got something accurate is small. On the other hand, the number of people who love to see epic battle scenes with blood and gore is immense. I'd bet more people would boycott it because Oliver Stone made it, hehe...

Oh yeah, I didn't know so many Greeks were blond Must have been some early Norse invasion we don't know about...

	19-11-2004 09:06									#50
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Why on earth would anyone imagine you could make a movie about classical civilization without homosexuality?

There's a quote in a novel I have where someone describes the Classics as "Wars and homos". That's pretty accurate from my experience.

One of my favourite teaching experiences is when students finally realize what this means. You have to say, "Yes. Of course they're gay. What do you mean you didn't know?"


Some of the more conservative ones come over all sick when they realize that Socrates gets all hot for muscular young men.

From the Charmides.

quote: Very well, he said; then I will call him; and turning to the attendant, he said, Call Charmides, and tell him that I want him to come and see a physician about the illness of which he spoke to me the day before yesterday. Then again addressing me, he added: He has been complaining lately of having a headache when he rises in the morning: now why should you not make him believe that you know a cure for the headache? Why not, I said; but will he come? He will be sure to come, he replied. He came as he was bidden, and sat down between Critias and me. Great amusement was occasioned by every one pushing with might and main at his neighbour in order to make a place for him next to themselves, until at the two ends of the row one had to get up and the other was rolled over sideways. Now my friend, was beginning to feel awkward; former bold belief in my powers of conversing with him had vanished. And when Critias told him that I was the person who had the cure, he looked at me in such an indescribable manner, and was just going to ask a question. And at that moment all the people in the palaestra crowded about us, and, O rare! I caught a sight of the inwards of his garment, and took the flame. Then I could no longer contain myself. I thought how well Cydias understood the nature of love, when, in speaking of a fair youth, he warns some one "not to bring the fawn in the sight of the lion to be devoured by him," for I felt that I had been overcome by a sort of wild-beast appetite. But I controlled myself, and when he asked me if I knew the cure of the headache, I answered, but with an effort, that I did know.

	19-11-2004 09:27									#51
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I think its pretty well known that Alexander and Hephaistion shared more than the occasional falafel.

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Tell us, did he have a thing for his horse?

	19-11-2004 09:36									#53
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Yes he did.

	19-11-2004 10:10									#54
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OMG!11! AH IS GAY!1

	19-11-2004 10:37									#55
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Crazy Greeks.

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quote: Originally posted by Pekka Besides, how can you have first name Alexander and NOT be gay? And nickname the Great? If that was described as some kind of wierd non-terminals it would turn into ^gay name^ ^gay-status/main gay^, that's: Alexander the Great. OH yeah and he did it with his horse too.

HEY! My name is Alexander... And I'm NOT gay

	19-11-2004 10:56									#57
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Also remember that this is an Oliver Stone film IIRC, so he delights in stirring up controversy. It should be interesting.

	19-11-2004 14:07									#58
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quote: Originally posted by Gamecube64 quote: That's because they're good Christians and have to pretend they've never seen a penis before. Why would Christians be offended by that... in the Bible Adam and Eve were nude until they ate the apple and learned... was it shame?

No, they learned the difference between Good and Evil and for that God kicked 'em out and taught them how to be ashamed.

This probably meant that before Adam and Eve ate the apple they were doing every breathing thing in sight since they couldn't possibly know they were doing anything wrong and it was because of that that the Lord God put this great big apple tree right there in the middle with a large sign saying Do Not Touch.

	19-11-2004 14:41									#59
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quote: Originally posted by Asher Right at the beginning, when he's in the hospital. As a sidenote, the US version of Team America removed the sex scene. It's there in all its full glory in Canada, and damn was it funny.

Goddamnit. I wanted to watch that specific part.

**** **** ****

I guess it'll be there in the DVD at least...

	19-11-2004 16:18									#60
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quote: Originally posted by Asher Right at the beginning, when he's in the hospital. As a sidenote, the US version of Team America removed the sex scene. It's there in all its full glory in Canada, and damn was it funny.

Um, no it didn't.