23-11-2004 08:06									#31
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The polls are closed and the great haystack vote count of 2004 is underway. Stay tuned for exciting developments...

	23-11-2004 08:07									#32
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What chance do you think the Alliance has of grabbing a seat or two (they're leading in one riding, atm)?

	23-11-2004 08:08									#33
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I predict a Klein win.

	23-11-2004 08:09									#35
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quote: Originally posted by Agathon I predict a Klein win.

He's never lost an election in his career.

	23-11-2004 08:09									#36
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quote: Originally posted by joncha What chance do you think the Alliance has of grabbing a seat or two (they're leading in one riding, atm)?

Depending on concentration they could take one. It all depends on if there is a concentration of people around some major town who are unhappy with Klein. That could happen in cattle country down south.

	23-11-2004 08:10									#37
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quote: Originally posted by Asher He's never lost an election in his career.

He has about as much chance of losing an election as Putin.

	23-11-2004 08:30									#38
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Early yet, but it is shaping up to be a slaughter of Tories in Redmonton. The Liberals are killing them and the NDP look to be shut out.

Oh. CTV affiliate just called it for Ralph! I am shocked.

	23-11-2004 08:42									#39
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Odd thought...

If Martin really wants to make inroads out here, he will appoint at least one of our Senators elect.

Who thinks it's likely Martin will do it?

	23-11-2004 08:42									#40
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I think at least 2/3rds should go into indexed securities investments. Alberta would do well to look toward Norway in this regard.

Also, oil isn't going to be at US$50/bbl forever. The worst thing that could happen is that oil plummets to US$28/bbl and the government has just signed up to a lot of spending.

I don't know what a "heritage" fund is, but on its face, it sounds like a bunch of BS to me. A real sinkhole for money.

	23-11-2004 08:45									#41
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Homeless people in Alberta? **** that! It's cold there so if I were homeless I'd move to Florida or southern California. Sure, I'd still be homeless but at least I wouldn't freeze to death.

	23-11-2004 08:45									#42
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quote: Originally posted by DanS I think at least 2/3rds should go into indexed securities investments. Alberta would do well to look toward Norway in this regard. Also, oil isn't going to be at US$50/bbl forever. The worst thing that could happen is that oil plummets to US$28/bbl and the government has just signed up to a lot of spending.

Even the socialists are proposing something along those lines.

quote: I don't know what a "heritage" fund is, but on its face, it sounds like a bunch of BS to me. A real sinkhole for money.

It's an investment fund along the lines of what you proposed. It helped a great deal in balancing the budget and paying down the debt.

	23-11-2004 08:47									#43
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quote: I don't know what a "heritage" fund is, but on its face, it sounds like a bunch of BS to me. A real sinkhole for money.

An investment fund that makes a shitload of money.

	23-11-2004 08:49									#44
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Oh, OK. I misunderstood. Yes, the trust fund is the way to go. Here's Alaska's. Worth about $50,000 per person. Worth much more per person than Norway's fund.

http://www.apfc.org/

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	23-11-2004 09:20									#45
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http://www.cbc.ca/story/canada/nati...tion041122.html

quote: Klein leads Tories in Alberta to another majority Last Updated Mon, 22 Nov 2004 23:00:05 EST EDMONTON - Ralph Klein has led his Conservative party to another majority win in Alberta, in what he says will be his last election as premier. Early results showed the Conservatives with a big lead and they easily cruised to another majority government. CBC News projected a Tory majority just 35 minutes after the polls closed. The last party to form the government in Alberta before the Tories was the now defunct Social Credit back in 1967. Since 1971, and for the past 10 elections, the Tories have been unassailable - with Ralph Klein leading them to victory four consecutive times. The win came in spite of a four-week campaign that many described as quiet, visionless and uninspired, mainly because of Klein's refusal to discuss policy, especially his plans for the reform of health care. "I don't think our vision is murky. If you pay attention, you'll see how it's all coming together," he said during the campaign. Now, after 12 years as premier polls show Klein's personal popularity is slipping. But with a booming economy Alberta has never seen better times. Fueled by record-setting oil prices and the royalties that flow into the province's treasury, the province is awash in cash. Kevin Taft As for the two main opposition leaders, Kevin Taft of the Liberals and the NDP's Brian Mason, neither managed to puncture Klein's balloon during the campaign. But Taft says it is just a matter of time. "We're the only alternative to the Tories. The Tory government is going to fall, whether it falls on Monday or in three or four years, it's going to fall and it's going to fall to us." When asked, the 62-year-old premier has said that this was his last election. But he has also made clear that he intends to stay in the premier's office for the next three-and-a-quarter years - a clear warning to any leadership hopefuls not to move too quickly.

	23-11-2004 09:39									#46
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Just incredible.

The last party to form the government in Alberta before the Tories was the now defunct Social Credit back in 1967.

Perhaps someone should tell them that the Socreds had several candidates in the election.

Who wrote that, and more importantly, where is the person who wrote that?

	23-11-2004 09:44									#47
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Anyways, the writing is on the wall for the Tories. The Liberals are gaining seats in Calgary, and the AA is going to be in the legislature.

The Liberals will chip away from the centre and, most critically, the AA will swamp them on the right.

The only thing that will keep them in power four years hense is if they get very, very lucky in their choice of a new leader and the Liberals implode. The Liberals imploding could happen, they've done it before.

	23-11-2004 10:06									#48
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An election in Alberta.

	23-11-2004 10:15									#49
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It's almost like China, isn't it?

	23-11-2004 10:17									#50
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Yes, elections in Alberta are about the same as in China. Boy, you must feel proud.

	23-11-2004 10:18									#51
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I mean except that we actually have a choice and could toss out the ruling party. Aside from that, it must be a lot like China.

	23-11-2004 10:22									#52
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So you have a choice, but you always elect the same party. That'll teach the politicans who's the boss.

	23-11-2004 10:25									#53
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quote: Originally posted by Tingkai Yes, elections in Alberta are about the same as in China. Boy, you must feel proud.

Yep. I do actually. It's called stability. Albertans value that. Albertans also tend to join into organisations, like the ruling party, as a way of pitching in and helping out. Some people prefer it to standing on the sidelines and heckling. That has a lot to do with the longevity of our governments. But then I doubt you have the faintest interest in understanding; you would much prefer to heckle.

	23-11-2004 11:53									#54
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quote: Originally posted by notyoueither Odd thought... If Martin really wants to make inroads out here, he will appoint at least one of our Senators elect. Who thinks it's likely Martin will do it?

I hope he doesn't. That "selection" of potential Senators was crap.

Link Byfield?

	23-11-2004 11:53									#55
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Well, the Libs made huge inroads and the NDP doubled their seats.

I am pleased.

	23-11-2004 11:54									#56
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The only scary thing is that almost 10% of the popular vote province-wide went to the Alliance.

TEN PERCENT of the population thinks Ralph ISN'T FAR ENOUGH RIGHT!

	23-11-2004 11:56									#57
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quote: Originally posted by cinch I hope he doesn't. That "selection" of potential Senators was crap. Link Byfield?

You have a problem with the man being on a ballot?

	23-11-2004 11:59									#58
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It's not our fault the Liberals did not deign to run anyone. More their fault than anything else, and why they still can't knock off Ralph.

I would be willing to make a wager. No party that fails to field candidates for Senate elections will ever form a government in Alberta.

Quote me on that.

	23-11-2004 12:05									#59
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quote: Originally posted by cinch The only scary thing is that almost 10% of the popular vote province-wide went to the Alliance. TEN PERCENT of the population thinks Ralph ISN'T FAR ENOUGH RIGHT!

Considereing Ralph was a liberal before he joined the Dark Side to get to the source of power, I am not surprised that there is a large segment to the right of him.

You should be happy about it. If there were no far right party to tear away from that direction, then the road to another party in power would be much more difficult.

There is a reason that the AA accounted for about half the drop in the PCs popular vote. Push the AA and the Liberals up just a bit, and we are looking at a whole new political ballgame.

	23-11-2004 12:32									#60
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quote: Originally posted by notyoueither Yep. I do actually. It's called stability. Albertans value that. Albertans also tend to join into organisations, like the ruling party, as a way of pitching in and helping out. Some people prefer it to standing on the sidelines and heckling. That has a lot to do with the longevity of our governments. But then I doubt you have the faintest interest in understanding; you would much prefer to heckle.

You'd make a right good commie:
It's called stability. Chinese value that. Chinese also tend to join into organisations, like the ruling party, as a way of pitching in and helping out. Some people prefer it to standing on the sidelines and heckling. That has a lot to do with the longevity of our governments. But then I doubt you have the faintest interest in understanding; you would much prefer to heckle.