23-11-2004 12:35									#61
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Actually, I find the parallels interesting.

The only thing missing in China is a choice.

	23-11-2004 19:12									#62
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quote: Originally posted by Asher It's "famous" because it's old, it's not particularly good at anything useful. I think it's mostly an artsy school.

How wrong could you be? Well, let me not ask the obvious.

U of Chicago is famous for several things: 1. the birthplace of sociology and political science as academic disciplines. 2. A Top Law school and a top business school. 3. The birthplace of nuclear power (the first atomic pile was buil under the old football stadium bleachers) and U of C helps run the Argon National Laboratory. 4. The first Heismann winner came from Chicago and its first coach, Alonzo Stagg originate many important innovations to Football, but then the president decided sports took away from academics and scrapped the footbal program.

	23-11-2004 20:08									#63
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quote: Originally posted by GePap How wrong could you be? Well, let me not ask the obvious. U of Chicago is famous for several things: 1. the birthplace of sociology and political science as academic disciplines. 2. A Top Law school and a top business school. 3. The birthplace of nuclear power (the first atomic pile was buil under the old football stadium bleachers) and U of C helps run the Argon National Laboratory. 4. The first Heismann winner came from Chicago and its first coach, Alonzo Stagg originate many important innovations to Football, but then the president decided sports took away from academics and scrapped the footbal program.

So it is mostly an arts school today, then.

	23-11-2004 20:10									#64
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	23-11-2004 20:20									#65
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quote: Originally posted by Asher It's "famous" because it's old, it's not particularly good at anything useful. I think it's mostly an artsy school.

I'm surprised you never heard of it.

Its world famous for Economics and Anthropology. It and its faculty basically invented American Anthropology. I honestly can't remember a class I've been in that hasn't mentioned something about it at least once (and I'm talking since I came to Canada). Meanwhile the amount of times the University of Calgary has been mentioned is exactly zero.

And sure Chicago has crime, but it still ranks as one of the worlds greatest cities on every ranking you can think of. Its a world class city.

	23-11-2004 20:22									#66
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I never said I never heard of it, that was St. Leo.

I know some people in Psychology there.

My point was it's mostly an arts school today.

	23-11-2004 20:28									#67
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quote: Originally posted by Asher I never said I never heard of it, that was St. Leo. I know some people in Psychology there. My point was it's mostly an arts school today.

Arts as in Arts and Social Sciences. Its not exactly the Berkely School of Music.

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Arts as in BA...

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The University of Chicago is one of the best all-around schools in the US. Its MBA program is in the Top 10. Its sciences are top notch. It has an endowment of some $3.5 billion.

It has 78 Nobel laureates attached to it. Might be the most of any school in the US. Of the 78 Laureates, 26 have won in Physics, 23 in Economic Sciences, 15 in Chemistry, 11 in Physiology or Medicine and three in Literature.

	23-11-2004 20:49									#70
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I stand corrected, then.

I've just never heard anything of the school related to my field. Maybe they're one of the old-school schools.

	23-11-2004 21:05									#71
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You mean not an incredibly narrow niche school? No, it's not.

	23-11-2004 21:07									#72
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quote: Originally posted by Kontiki You mean not an incredibly narrow niche school? No, it's not.

Nope, I mean one that's also good with computer stuff. It doesn't have to be a niche school to be good with computers.

It sounds like it's more of a classical school...

	23-11-2004 21:19									#73
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quote: Originally posted by Asher Nope, I mean one that's also good with computer stuff. It doesn't have to be a niche school to be good with computers. It sounds like it's more of a classical school...

And I mean that "computer stuff" is an incredibly narrow field. You have a tendency to vastly over inflate the significance of your area of studies.

	23-11-2004 21:25									#74
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quote: Originally posted by Kontiki And I mean that "computer stuff" is an incredibly narrow field. You have a tendency to vastly over inflate the significance of your area of studies.

Eh? It's not any more narrow than any other field.

I don't see your point.

I just brought it up because that's the field I'm familiar with, and I've never heard Chicago mentioned in that context.

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quote: Originally posted by Asher Eh? It's not any more narrow than any other field. I don't see your point. I just brought it up because that's the field I'm familiar with, and I've never heard Chicago mentioned in that context.

My point is most great universities are not know for their computer programs. If the significance of a university is lost on you because they don't crank out many IBM interns, then that's an incredibly narrow minded point of view.

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quote: Originally posted by Kontiki My point is most great universities are not know for their computer programs. If the significance of a university is lost on you because they don't crank out many IBM interns, then that's an incredibly narrow minded point of view.

The significance of the university is not lost on me, it's just not known to me. How should I know how strong UChicago's sociology program is.

I commented on the computer stuff because that's what I do know, and I prefaced that as such.

You can get off your high horse now.

(I also disagree that "most" great universities are not known for their computer programs, most great universities have strong computer programs)

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Chicago has a very weak computer sciences program, but world class physics, mathematics, and chemistry programs- in essence, those fields that make computer science possible.

Chicago generally puts out conservative ideas: Milton Friedman worked for some time at Chicago, Scalia and Ashcroft went to the Law School. In Pol Sci the hard core realists are very strong, and Chicago is part of the movement (which I dislike) of sticking more Math into social sciences.

The school is also conservative in the sense that there is a core curriculum and students are essentially forced to study a wide field of things. Chicago is generally a Gradutate University and Graduate and College students Mix, so Chicago has a higher average age of students than say Harvard or Yale.

It was founded by the Rockefellers, and it also has a Divinity school, and the tallest building by law (or charter, whatever) has to be the huge chapel- which is now non-dinominational.

Finally, it has an immense collection in its library, I think definitelly one of the top 5 collections out of universities in the country.

	24-11-2004 10:04									#78
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quote: Originally posted by GePap Chicago has a very weak computer sciences program, but world class physics, mathematics, and chemistry programs- in essence, those fields that make computer science possible.

Don't forget though, without computers, none of these fields would have adanced as much as they did.

quote: Originally posted by GePap The school is also conservative in the sense that there is a core curriculum and students are essentially forced to study a wide field of things.

A lot of old-school schools are like that. Even MIT.

	24-11-2004 11:39									#79
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Do people refer to the University of Chicago as U of C?

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quote: Link Byfield?

I prefer Breitkreutz myself.

You should be thankful to have 2 such sterling candidates.

	24-11-2004 12:46									#81
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Not bad, Betty Unger's a sweet Senator.

	24-11-2004 12:49									#82
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quote: Originally posted by Tingkai Do people refer to the University of Chicago as U of C?

Yep.

	24-11-2004 13:01									#83
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What about California?

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quote: Originally posted by GePap Chicago has a very weak computer sciences program, but world class physics, mathematics, and chemistry programs- in essence, those fields that make computer science possible. Chicago generally puts out conservative ideas: Milton Friedman worked for some time at Chicago, Scalia and Ashcroft went to the Law School. In Pol Sci the hard core realists are very strong, and Chicago is part of the movement (which I dislike) of sticking more Math into social sciences. The school is also conservative in the sense that there is a core curriculum and students are essentially forced to study a wide field of things. Chicago is generally a Gradutate University and Graduate and College students Mix, so Chicago has a higher average age of students than say Harvard or Yale. It was founded by the Rockefellers, and it also has a Divinity school, and the tallest building by law (or charter, whatever) has to be the huge chapel- which is now non-dinominational. Finally, it has an immense collection in its library, I think definitelly one of the top 5 collections out of universities in the country.

Umm, making social sciences more mathematical is making them more scientific. A good thing, although I still wouldn't call the social sciences actual sciences yet.

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	24-11-2004 13:05									#85
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Will a new Alberta goverment mean less whining.

	24-11-2004 13:35									#86
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quote: What about California?

There are many state unis in california, so it's not a problem.

UofC is an amazing school, I heard a lot of great things about it.

	24-11-2004 13:49									#87
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I did a search of UofC on Google and picked groups. Apparently, California, Calgary, and Chicago all share it.

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well, AFAIK, there is a UoCa in Berkley, LA ( UCLA), and a couple of other places.

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quote: Originally posted by Azazel well, AFAIK, there is a UoCa in Berkley, LA ( UCLA), and a couple of other places.

U of California is huge and got campuses everywhere in the state.

	24-11-2004 17:30									#90
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So it's actually considered a single university?