24-11-2004 10:52									#121
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Yani.

	24-11-2004 10:55									#122
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Yanni isn't rated by anyone. Therefore he cannot be overrated.

	24-11-2004 10:56									#123
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara Yani.

What about Zamfir: Maste of the Pan Flute????

ACK!

	24-11-2004 10:56									#124
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Jeez. AC/DC was about the lightest metal I liked. They still rock. I saw them at the SARS concert last year and they were brilliant.

Maiden, Black Sabbath, Metallica, Megadeth, Slayer, etc.

Man's metal!!

	24-11-2004 10:58									#125
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Oh, and my all time fave Zodiac Mindwarp and the Love Reaction.

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quote: Originally posted by Agathon Jeez. AC/DC was about the lightest metal I liked. They still rock. I saw them at the SARS concert last year and they were brilliant. Maiden, Black Sabbath, Metallica, Megadeth, Slayer, etc. Man's metal!!

I find it okay AC/DC is light because they are old school and have been around since Jailbreak '74 (which I think actually came out in 1975). Dirty Deeds done dirt cheap

	24-11-2004 11:28									#127
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quote: Originally posted by Rufus T. Firefly No one else has mentioned the Beach Boys (I did back on page 1)? Really, every time I read something suggesting "Pet Sounds" is comparable to, or even better than, "Sgt. Pepper," I'm utterly baffled.

Me too. I think we have to place it in a context. It was, from what I understand, the first concept album, though what the concept was, I don't know.

	24-11-2004 12:02									#128
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quote: Originally posted by Agathon Jeez. AC/DC was about the lightest metal I liked. They still rock. I saw them at the SARS concert last year and they were brilliant. Maiden, Black Sabbath, Metallica, Megadeth, Slayer, etc. Man's metal!!

Mark this, it won't happen really soon:

Agathon

	24-11-2004 12:14									#129
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Metallica, Zepplin, Hair Metal (genre I know, but it is wayyy overrated) bling hip pop, boy bands, nirvana and oh my god the f***ing RAMONES!!!

Nirvana was made to be appreciate not worshipped.
The Ramones are the most overrated band ever. When I went through my punk phase I bought the anthology. Jesus Tap Dancing Christ, its all the same! I do like some of the songs, but f*** man, they can't really be that damn good. Just b/c they were the first punk band (first to get a MAJOR record label contract, not officially first) doesn't necessarily mean that they are by any menas the greatest, or anywhere near it.
Anne Bradstreet was the first published American Poet, and her stuff sucks, and everyone knows it. Why can't people have the same epiphany about the damn Ramones??

	24-11-2004 12:33									#130
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The Ramones are only overrated by those who don't know any better. They are what they are, fast, loud, and fun.

	24-11-2004 12:39									#131
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quote: Originally posted by Immortal Wombat The Beatles, the Stones, the Beach Boys, G'n'R, anything else which I totally missed the cultural significance of and can thus look back on with the smug aura of hindsight and pronounce crap, 3EB, $0.50, U2, anyone who regularly tops the singles chart, RHCPs, Nirvana, The Smiths.

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	24-11-2004 12:43									#132
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quote: Originally posted by Datajack Franit I can't believe I am the first one posting this... Madonna

...and Elvis (except that Maquiladora and some others already said Elvis).

	24-11-2004 13:10									#133
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	24-11-2004 13:51									#134
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Max Webster!

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the rain song by led zep has turned into my latest favorite - not so much the tune or the guitar, but the lyrics


this is the springtime of my loving
the second season i am to know
you are the sunlight in my growing
so little warmth ive felt before
it isnt hard to feel me glowing
i watched the fire that grew so low

it is the summer of my smiles
flee from me keepers of the gloom
speak to me only with your eyes
it is to you I give this tune
aint so hard to recognize
these things are clear to all from
time to time
ooooohhhhhh

taaalllkk taaaaaaaaaalk taaalk to me taaaalk to me

i felt the coldness of my winter
i never thought i would ever go
i cursed the gloom that set upon us

but i know that i love you so
but i know that i love you so

these are the seasons of emotion
and like the winds they rise and fall
this is the wonder of devotion
i see the torch we all must hold
and people, this is the mystery of the quotient
upon us all all a little rain must fall
just a little rain

oooohhhh yeah yeah

	24-11-2004 15:38									#136
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quote: Originally posted by Jac de Molay The Grateful Dead. One of the worst pothead experiences is smoking down in someone's van, and a friend of a friend invariably whips out his vaunted Tokyo bootleg featuring 45-minute drum circles over Garcias hideous caterwauling. I dont get..I just...dont...get it.

I don't either. I can't say that the Dead are bad, I've known some musicians whom I really respected who loved them, but I get bored quickly and annoyed by the end of half an album when they are played.

	24-11-2004 15:40									#137
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My wife would like to nominate Michael Jackson.

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quote: Originally posted by Elok I second the nomination for the Grateful Dead. I kinda like Sugar Magnolia in a way, that's about it. They were just a lot of weak tunes propped up by smarmy folksiness and trippy logos. Not really bad, but not that good. I also dislike James Taylor, whichever wuss sings "Sweet Caroline," and Blind Melon, though nobody cares about them today. The Doors aren't that good, but they aren't absolutely wretched. Finally, for now at least, there's something absolutely appalling about Dave Matthews. Maybe it's because one of my old roommates played him like 24/7, but everything he ever played sounds soulless and bland to me.

Good call on Dave Mathews. Almost as repetetive as Journey, and more soulless.

	24-11-2004 17:10									#139
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quote: Originally posted by JohnT My wife would like to nominate Michael Jackson.

Your wifes taste in men of course leaves a lot to be desired but music, now that's another matter

	24-11-2004 18:01									#140
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how could I forget the king of sap.....Michael Bolton.

The VH1 show "40 worst Metal moments" was hilarous. Michael Bolton actually was on the list with a hair-metal band before he went to the "music 40 year old ladies like to score to"

	24-11-2004 18:48									#141
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quote: Originally posted by JohnT My wife would like to nominate Michael Jackson.

Later Michael Jackson, I totally agree. However, the early Jackson lived up to the hype and more. There is a reason 'Thriller' is by far the top selling album of all time.

	24-11-2004 18:50									#142
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OVERRATED
Grateful Dead -- saw them live in their prime and they were a total
New York Dolls -- talentless buffoons (except for David Johansen, who has talent)
Boston -- great production of mediocre music; no chops
Kiss --
The Cars -- poseurs
Madonna --
Journey -- just pathetic
Phish -- failed Dead wannabes
David Lee Roth -- OMFG
Velvet Underground -- *ducks*
Geddy Lee -- *ducks*

UNDERRATED
Los Lobos
Cyndi Lauper
Gang of Four
P.i.L
John Hiatt
Psychedelic Furs
New Riders of the Purple Sage
Michelle Branch

Many more on both lists, but I'm off to work now.

	24-11-2004 19:13									#143
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quote: Originally posted by -Jrabbit OVERRATED Velvet Underground -- *ducks*

BOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


* Shogun Gunner Throws beer and peanuts....

and Cyndi Lauper underrated????

	24-11-2004 19:34									#144
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui Later Michael Jackson, I totally agree. However, the early Jackson lived up to the hype and more. There is a reason 'Thriller' is by far the top selling album of all time.

BOO!

	24-11-2004 19:43									#145
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quote: Originally posted by -Jrabbit OVERRATED Boston -- great production of mediocre music; no chops

Boston = overplayed. They were really a one-album wonder so it's hard to call them overrated.

quote: The Cars -- poseurs

Again not a hugely influential or popular band by anyone's accounting. What, exactly, do you think they were posing as?

quote: David Lee Roth -- OMFG

And throw the rest of Van Halen in there too.

quote: UNDERRATED Michelle Branch

Yes! She's the only teen pop singer that I can stomach.

	24-11-2004 19:54									#146
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui Later Michael Jackson, I totally agree. However, the early Jackson lived up to the hype and more. There is a reason 'Thriller' is by far the top selling album of all time.

I tried making that argument... but she wouldn't buy it.

	24-11-2004 20:24									#147
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quote: Originally posted by JohnT I tried making that argument... but she wouldn't buy it.

Ah, women... can't live with 'em, can't listen to reason .

	24-11-2004 20:41									#148
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Boston and The Cars were both huge-for-a-short-time pop bands. There are probably hundred of bands like this, but both came to mind and made my list.

--Boston had this "Tom Sholz = genius" PR vibe (because Scholz was in fact a really bright guy who created a couple new and unique studio effects in his basement). I really liked the first album (because I'm a production guy), but the undeserved hype they received was unbelievable.

--The Cars were posing as musicians.

quote: * Shogun Gunner Throws beer and peanuts....

--Regarding the Velvets, there is a lot of long-term confusion between their prominence on the NY music/art scene and their actual musical exploits. Sure, there are a couple decent songs. But Lou Reed's early lyrics are laughably childish (by his own admission) and there's little if any musical virtuosity. Pioneers? Sure. But musically strong? Sorry. This band was all hype, and it amazes me that this legend continues.

And yes, Cyndi Lauper is underrated. Very talented woman.

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Jonathan Richman & The Modern Lovers
Van Halen (with a nod to the gunkulator)

	24-11-2004 20:51									#149
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quote: Originally posted by -Jrabbit --Regarding the Velvets, there is a lot of long-term confusion between their prominence on the NY music/art scene and their actual musical exploits. Sure, there are a couple decent songs. But Lou Reed's early lyrics are laughably childish (by his own admission) and there's little if any musical virtuosity. Pioneers? Sure. But musically strong? Sorry. This band was all hype, and it amazes me that this legend continues.

That's not the point. Most people wouldn't know a VU song if it bit them on the nose. They can't be overrated if most people have never heard them. As to whether they were the greatest band ever, definately not. But their effect on music was huge. Nearly every single proto-punk band points to VU as their inspiration, and we still hear their influence in music today, forty years later. Regardless of the actual merits of their music (which I happen to like), the impact they made can't be overrated.

	24-11-2004 21:31									#150
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Pathetic buncha heroin addicts.

I think we mostly differ on the definition of "most overrated" -- which you seem to think applies to how much influence the group had. I don't deny they were influential (though I think "nearly every single proto-punk band" is a clear and deliberate overstatement on your part).

I just don't think they were all that good, and have long since tired of people who never heard the Velvet Underground insist this was a great band. It's revisionist history IMHO.

ADD TO OVERRATED LIST
The MC5 -- (for reasons, see Velvet Underground notes)