29-11-2004 23:22									#1
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I have a number of qualms with the standard american conservative ideology despite my far right wing beliefs; qualms which cause me to still consider myself a fascist though, with respect to american politics, i vote the Republican party line.

Firstly, I am not religious. I'm somewhat agnostic so all the American conservative appeals to religion do not appeal to me. social conservatism does, but not for religious reasons. I think of religion as an opiate for the weak and much rather prefer an existentialist philosophy, chiefly Nietzscheanism.

Also, I am not opposed to social programs, I favour a Keynesian fiscal policy, favour a strong federal gov't especially with respect to security and defence, am nationalistic though pro-immigration, believe in an aggressive, unilateral foreign policy, and so on. i mostly agree with the fascist policies and even am partial to such fascist nuances as liking futurist, expressionist, and surrealist art (Salvdor Dali), monumental modernist architecture, and so on.

some liberals and old school conservatives like Pat Buchanan claim that the neoconservative fiscal and foreign policy and pro-big gov't stance are reminiscent of fascism. Could it be that the GOP is truly going fascist (which would fit with my political beliefs) or am i still going to have to support a party I don't wholly agree with?

	29-11-2004 23:25									#2
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What do you mean, OR?

	29-11-2004 23:42									#3
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Radical conservatism

	29-11-2004 23:45									#4
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quote: Could it be that the GOP is truly going fascist

Not my GOP.

	29-11-2004 23:46									#5
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Too many religious fundies running the right for them to become Fascists.

But they're well on their way to becoming something worse....

-=Vel=-

	29-11-2004 23:46									#6
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quote: Originally posted by DanS Not my GOP.

Yes, your GOP, though it isn't totally lost yet. If you "moderates" put up a fight, you might be able to hold on. Throw the Christian right out of the party.

	29-11-2004 23:47									#7
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Am I the only one who thought that Speerie had got over the fascist phase?

Guess not.

	29-11-2004 23:48									#8
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Wait... you like socially conservativism and like Nietzscheanism?

	29-11-2004 23:51									#9
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quote: Originally posted by Stefu Am I the only one who thought that Speerie had got over the fascist phase?

Yes.

	29-11-2004 23:51									#10
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui Wait... you like socially conservativism and like Nietzscheanism?

He is a fascist, Imran.

	29-11-2004 23:56									#11
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I kind of thought that he was just a somewhat authoritarian conservative and not a full-blown fascist.

	29-11-2004 23:57									#12
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara He is a fascist, Imran.

HEY! Nietzsche was no fascist

	29-11-2004 23:59									#13
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara He is a fascist, Imran.

Yes, yes... but even with the irrationality of Fascists, it's kind of strange. Nietszche is the last person to embrase social conservatism.

	30-11-2004 00:02									#14
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AS, I think you and Bush are fascists.

	30-11-2004 00:02									#15
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quote: Originally posted by GePap HEY! Nietzsche was no fascist

Maybe not, but that didn't stop them from embracing him, albeit because of his twisted sister.

	30-11-2004 01:02									#16
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quote: Originally posted by DanS Not my GOP.

	30-11-2004 02:21									#17
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If fascism could avoid totalitarianism and simply dedicate itself to eradicating class warfare even while providing a social safety net, then fascism would be good. Unfortunately, fascism is a totalitarian philosophy and for that reason must be resisted.

	30-11-2004 02:29									#18
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What's wrong with fascism, Stefu and Che?

	30-11-2004 02:38									#19
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara Yes, your GOP, though it isn't totally lost yet. If you "moderates" put up a fight, you might be able to hold on. Throw the Christian right out of the party.

How about this: when the democrats throw the feminazis and militant homosexuals out, we'll throw the christian right out. That way both parties get rid of their extremists.

	30-11-2004 02:40									#20
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui Yes, yes... but even with the irrationality of Fascists, it's kind of strange. Nietszche is the last person to embrase social conservatism.

I don't know if you could call the Nazis social consies either. Now, they weren't the most coherent guys out there, but Röhm would've made a good commie.

	30-11-2004 02:55									#21
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quote: Originally posted by VJ What's wrong with fascism, Stefu and Che?

War, mass murder, crushing of dissent, etc. Same thing that was wrong with it last time you asked this stupid question.

	30-11-2004 02:57									#22
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quote: Originally posted by The diplomat How about this: when the democrats throw the feminazis and militant homosexuals out, we'll throw the christian right out.

I'm not a Democrat.

	30-11-2004 02:57									#23
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara War, mass murder, crushing of dissent, etc.

3 things communism and fascism have in common.

	30-11-2004 02:58									#24
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara I'm not a Democrat.

I know. You're worse than a democrat.

	30-11-2004 02:58									#25
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quote: Originally posted by The diplomat How about this: when the democrats throw the feminazis and militant homosexuals out, we'll throw the christian right out. That way both parties get rid of their extremists.

Not all feminists are wackos and I don't know any gay group going around killing poeple.

	30-11-2004 02:59									#26
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quote: 3 things communism and fascism have in common.

No, not really. Esp. since it's part of the philosophy of fascism.

	30-11-2004 03:00									#27
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Well, if you believe in the whole worldwide revolution thing, war can be said to be in the philosophy of communism. Ditto crushing of dissent (the forces of "counter revolution"). Mass murder optional, I suppose.

-Arrian

	30-11-2004 03:02									#28
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quote: Originally posted by The diplomat You're worse than a democrat.

And you're worse than either of us.

	30-11-2004 03:02									#29
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spinning.

	30-11-2004 03:03									#30
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quote: Originally posted by Arrian Well, if you believe in the whole worldwide revolution thing, war can be said to be in the philosophy of communism. Ditto crushing of dissent (the forces of "counter revolution"). Mass murder optional, I suppose. -Arrian

Revolutions don't have to be armed conflicts. If the capitalists don't decide to try and kill it, things can go quite peacefully. Course, the likely hood of that happening is about the same as Rush Limbaugh announcing he's getting married to Richard Simmons.