30-11-2004 03:01									#31
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wait, so it's actually redundant?

Personally, I hate the idea of communting by car, and it seems that's what those highways are mainly used for. Driving is great, but it should be kept for going to places other than work. But I guess public transport sucks in Toronto...

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Public transit is incredibly busy too.

A lot of people live in a rather small area. The trains come every minute and they're still packed...

You sound like a complete moron saying it should be kept for going places other than work.

The 401 is already 20 lanes, adding a separate, parallel highway that's a tollway (so if you really need to get somewhere fast, and are willing to pay for it), it's not redundant...

The TTC (Toronto Public Transit body), handled 405,412,000 trips last year.

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	30-11-2004 03:45									#33
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Transit is great - I took transit all the way to work (in Mississauga) for quite a while. It took two buses and two subway rides, for a total of about 70 minutes each way.

I am now home from work - it took 31 minutes today, 19 on the 401, which is fairly good.

Of course, I am getting bored with my present job and will likely revert to working from home again soon - no commute and I can watch the snow fall from the comfort of my office at home.

	30-11-2004 03:51									#34
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So what kind of distances are we talking here?

	30-11-2004 04:13									#35
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35km

	30-11-2004 04:14									#36
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toll roads are tight.

	30-11-2004 04:17									#37
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When I was driving a rented Prius, it had a panel display which showed me at which speed I was getting the best milage. It was 55mph (almost 70mpg). I was going 70 (the speedlimit in Florida) and getting 44mpg.

Drive 55, save money!

	30-11-2004 04:19									#38
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quote: Originally posted by Azazel wait, so it's actually redundant?

It's only redundant if you happen to live equi-distant from from of them (north of the 401 and south of the 407). Otherwise it comes down to convenience, cost, extra distance, etc.

I live south of the 401, about 5 minutes from the end of a major artery that intersects with it (the Allan Road) and work in a part of Mississauga that is still considerably south of the 407 - so the 407 does not make any sense for my commute.

	30-11-2004 04:21									#39
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara When I was driving a rented Prius, it had a panel display which showed me at which speed I was getting the best milage. It was 55mph (almost 70mpg). I was going 70 (the speedlimit in Florida) and getting 44mpg. Drive 55, save money!

Drive faster, save time! My time is worth far more than the change I might save, thanks.

	30-11-2004 04:37									#40
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55 is supposed to be the most efficient gas mileage on all cars. 80 is good too.

	30-11-2004 05:42									#41
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wow this thing is chill
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	30-11-2004 09:33									#42
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quote: Originally posted by Lawrence of Arabia yesterday, on a sunday nite, i got from grapevine to SD in just under three hours. i was at the base of grapevine at just after 3.30 pm and got to SD at 6.30 pm. that is the fastest i have ever gone through LA in a high traffic situation. I took the 5 to the Santa Monica Freeway to the SD freeway. there wasnt even any traffic around the airport. did i get lucky or what? i mean, this is the sunday night after thanksgiving.

You got lucky.

Wednesday and Thursday are the most congested times. Traffic is very light during the rest of the holidays though.

Which "aiport" were you speaking of?

	30-11-2004 11:12									#43
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quote: Originally posted by Asher I went from the middle of Waterloo to Toronto in 50 minutes flat last night. 160km/h the whole way (100mph). At one point on the 407 (I was in the middle of 3 lanes and not a car in sight, and a perfectly straight road in dry conditions), I pushed it up to 200km/h before I decided that was a bit too fast if I got a ticket.

You see, there are actually people in the States. Unlike Canada, obviously.

	30-11-2004 11:13									#44
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quote: Originally posted by Pekka LoA, as long as you remember at least in here cops have detectors of detectors. They REALLY don't like those, so they won't save you from the harshest possible fines when they get you with one of those babies.

How would you detect a passive sensor? (AFAIK that's how the radar detectors work)

	30-11-2004 12:59									#45
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quote: You got lucky. Wednesday and Thursday are the most congested times. Traffic is very light during the rest of the holidays though. Which "aiport" were you speaking of?

the one in west LA along the 405. i think its LAX.

	30-11-2004 14:27									#46
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So how much does it cost to use the 407, say from the 404 to the 427?

	30-11-2004 20:04									#47
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quote: Originally posted by Tingkai So how much does it cost to use the 407, say from the 404 to the 427?

~13 cents a kilometer, depending on rush-hour and such.

They have a toll calculator on their website: http://www.407etr.com/tolls/tolls_calculator.asp

quote: Entry: Highway 404 Exit: Highway 427 Time of Day: Weekdays 6:00 a.m. -- 10:00 a.m. Vehicle Type: Light vehicle Transponder: Yes Total Distance: 24.52 kilometres Cost Per Kilometre: $0.1395 Video Toll Charge: Not Applicable TOLL COST: $3.42

There are other benefits to the road aside from being FAR less crowded (I drive it during rushhour down to the 401 and never dip below 80 km/h -- the 401 is gridlock at the same time for many kilometers).

The road is fully lit, which is awesome when you're driving at night like I usually do. It's way better in the winter, they have a huge fleet of snow vehicles to salt/plow/etc much faster and more efficiently than the public roads. They also have road-side assistance on the road for no additional cost to change a flat, tow you to a nearby service station, top up your tank, etc. Also, it's a cement highway so it doesn't need to be repaved nearly as often.

quote: Originally posted by Kuciwalker You see, there are actually people in the States. Unlike Canada, obviously.

The stretch of the 401 I bypassed with the 407 is the busiest freeway/highway in North America.

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valentine 1 works in europe too, and cant be picked up by radar dectector dectectors.

	01-12-2004 00:15									#49
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Radar detectors are legal in Alberta.

I had one, so did most of my friends.

	01-12-2004 00:30									#50
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I want a radar jammer.

"Your honor, the policeman clocked me going at Mach 5. This speeding charge is obviously bogus."

	01-12-2004 00:49									#51
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those are illegal i think everywhere in the US.

	01-12-2004 00:59									#52
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You just need a sophisticated ECCM rig that can escape detection.

	01-12-2004 01:30									#53
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asher agrees: toll roads are good . we need more toll roads that bypass busy public alternatives, with the kind of service on the 407.

	01-12-2004 01:48									#54
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it took me 12 hours to drive from SF to Seattle on I-5

	01-12-2004 02:03									#55
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quote: Tired of ads? asher agrees: toll roads are good . we need more toll roads that bypass busy public alternatives, with the kind of service on the 407.

I am less against them if they have toll booths, and bill electronically.

However, still..... TOLL ROADS

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quote: Originally posted by Azazel I am less against them if they have toll booths, and bill electronically.

With the 407 you just drive like a normal highway.

If you have a transponder, it uses that to determine which entrance and exit you use, then bill you automatically once a month.

If you don't have a transponder, it photographs your license plate when you enter and leave and charge you accordingly.

No stupid toll booths.

	01-12-2004 02:09									#57
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I punch tolls in their bellies.

	01-12-2004 02:11									#58
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quote: Originally posted by Asher With the 407 you just drive like a normal highway. If you have a transponder, it uses that to determine which entrance and exit you use, then bill you automatically once a month. If you don't have a transponder, it photographs your license plate when you enter and leave and charge you accordingly. No stupid toll booths.

Yeah, we've got the Canadian company that built 407 to build a toll road here, BOT.

Still...

TOLL ROADS

BOT

	01-12-2004 04:51									#59
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quote: it took me 12 hours to drive from SF to Seattle on I-5

how many miles is that? 800 or so?

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quote: Originally posted by Lawrence of Arabia how many miles is that? 800 or so?

Not a bad guess. 808.57 according to mapquest.


I don't understand why that's impressive. It's basically 65 the whole way.

I averaged 75 on my way from Baltimore to Montreal including the border crossing.